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[Suggestion] Debuff For Killing Low Level Players

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Mishi   

If a low level wears a pvp outfit and runs around in it, it's their fault if they die. 

 

No one should be punished for PK'ing someone close or far from their level, when the pvp in OW is optional. 

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If a low level wears a pvp outfit and runs around in it, it's their fault if they die. 

 

No one should be punished for PK'ing someone close or far from their level, when the pvp in OW is optional. 

 

And nobody should be punished for porn on their profile pages because it is optional to check out profiles. If you are worried about porn, you shouldn't check them.

 

But somehow I know NcSoft will bother to moderate porn on profile pages, while low level harassment will pass. Because online bullying is supported, while nudity is a crime.

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Moist   

The reason I'm in full support of a debuff system is to allow lower level players of equal levels to fight each other anytime without the worry of that guy 30 levels higher than you just ganking away.  And if that guy 30+ levels really wants to get in on the action, the debuff will stack enough to ensure that eventually the lower level gankee can start retaliating and become the ganker (or at least make it an even fight).

go play arena

there all skills are balanced in damage and passive block/dodge

giving lower levels a "debuff on higher levels

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And nobody should be punished for porn on their profile pages because it is optional to check out profiles. If you are worried about porn, you shouldn't check them.

 

 

*eye begins to twitch*   

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Grimoir   

And nobody should be punished for porn on their profile pages because it is optional to check out profiles. If you are worried about porn, you shouldn't check them.

 

But somehow I know NcSoft will bother to moderate porn on profile pages, while low level harassment will pass. Because online bullying is supported, while nudity is a crime.

 

Are you trolling or....?

Here is a tip "common sense" o.o

Edited by Grimoir

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I am merely re-using the argument that "If you don't like it, don't use it" but with PKing replaced with the nsfw profile images. You could call it sarcasm or analogy.

 

The point is that if some people are jerks, the solution should not be that the not jerks should leave or quit using something.

 

Let me give you another analogy. Everyone is free to be an ass in dungeons, because if you don't like that you can stop doing dungeons.

 

You can make dozens of these, but the rule of thumb is that they will all sound insane, just like the PK example in this thread.

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CycLee   

#closeminded.

 

So, everybody, who doesn't share your opinion is closeminded? What does this make you?

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Mishi   

And nobody should be punished for porn on their profile pages because it is optional to check out profiles. If you are worried about porn, you shouldn't check them.

 

But somehow I know NcSoft will bother to moderate porn on profile pages, while low level harassment will pass. Because online bullying is supported, while nudity is a crime.

 

I am merely re-using the argument that "If you don't like it, don't use it" but with PKing replaced with the nsfw profile images. You could call it sarcasm or analogy.

 

The point is that if some people are jerks, the solution should not be that the not jerks should leave or quit using something.

 

Let me give you another analogy. Everyone is free to be an ass in dungeons, because if you don't like that you can stop doing dungeons.

 

You can make dozens of these, but the rule of thumb is that they will all sound insane, just like the PK example in this thread.

 

The difference between the porn argument and PK which you're trying to make:

 

1. Porn being posted is against the TOS NCSoft has.

2. PK'ing is not against ToS which NCsoft has set.

 

In the blade and soul rules of conduct you agree to, is:

  1. YOU MAY NOT USE SEXUALLY EXPLICIT, HARMFUL, THREATENING, ABUSIVE, DEFAMATORY, OBSCENE, HATEFUL, RACIALLY OR ETHNICALLY OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE.
  2. YOU MAY NOT POST OR LINK TO ANY SEXUALLY EXPLICIT, HARMFUL, THREATENING, ABUSIVE, DEFAMATORY, OBSCENE, HATEFUL, RACIALLY OR ETHNICALLY OFFENSIVE IMAGERY OR CONTENT.

 

http://us.ncsoft.com/en/legal/user-agreements/blade-and-soul-rules-of-conduct.php

Which nullifies your "porn" comparison. 

 

 

 

Also BnS you are "supposed"to be 18+/or have someone who is 18+ which takes responsibility for your actions if you are of the ages 13-17. 

 

ACCOUNT ACCESS AND PERMISSIBLE ASSIGNMENT
  1. BY CLICKING "I ACCEPT" YOU WARRANT AND REPRESENT THAT YOU ARE: 1) AT LEAST 18 YEARS OF AGE AND OTHERWISE LEGALLY COMPETENT TO READ, UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT THE PROVISIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF; 2) AT LEAST 18 YEARS OF AGE AND OTHERWISE LEGALLY COMPETENT TO READ, UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT THE PROVISIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND A MINOR AGE 13-17 FOR WHOM YOU ARE LEGALLY PERMITTED TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THE GAME; OR 3) A MINOR AGE 13-17 WHO HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED TO CLICK "I ACCEPT" UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 9© BELOW. YOU ARE HEREBY FOREWARNED THAT NCSOFT MAY, IN ITS REASONABLE DISCRETION, EXERCISE ITS SECTION 3( B) RIGHT TO TERMINATE BASED ON FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE CRITERIA ABOVE.
  2. EACH ACCOUNT MAY ONLY BE USED BY ONE PERSON. IF A MINOR HAS BEEN ALLOWED ACCESS TO AN ACCOUNT UNDER SECTION 9© BELOW, ONLY THAT MINOR MAY USE THE ACCOUNT THEREAFTER. EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN SECTION 9© BELOW, YOU MAY NOT MAKE ANY ASSIGNMENT OR TRANSFER OF RIGHTS, OBLIGATIONS OR LIABILITIES RELATED TO THIS AGREEMENT AND ANY ATTEMPT BY YOU TO DO SO IS NULL AND VOID.
  3. IF YOU ARE AT LEAST 18 YEARS OF AGE AND OTHERWISE LEGALLY COMPETENT TO READ, UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT THE PROVISIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND A MINOR AGE 13-17 FOR WHOM YOU ARE LEGALLY PERMITTED TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THE GAME, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO ALLOW USE OF YOUR ACCOUNT BY THAT MINOR INSTEAD OF YOURSELF SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING PROVISIONS:
    1. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE, AND FURTHER AGREE, THAT EACH AND EVERY TIME THAT MINOR CLICKS "I ACCEPT" THEY ARE ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH YOUR CONSENT AND ON YOUR BEHALF;
    2. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE, AND FURTHER AGREE, THAT EACH AND EVERY TIME THAT MINOR CLICKS "I ACCEPT" YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE PROVISIONS THEY HAVE AGREED TO ON YOUR BEHALF;
    3. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE, AND FURTHER AGREE, THAT EACH AND EVERY TIME THAT MINOR CLICKS "I ACCEPT" YOU ARE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL ACTIONS OF THAT MINOR, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY PAYMENTS, DAMAGES AND/OR LIABILITIES RELATED TO THE ACTIONS OF THAT MINOR;
    4. IT IS ACKNOWLEDGED AND FURTHER AGREED BY THE ADULT THAT BOTH THE ADULT AND THE MINOR ARE BOUND BY ALL PROVISIONS OF ANY AGREEMENT FOR WHICH THAT MINOR CLICKS "I ACCEPT" AND THAT THE ADULT HAS EXPLAINED THE PROVISIONS OF THIS SECTION 9 TO THE MINOR, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT BOTH THE ADULT AND THE MINOR ARE JOINTLY AND SEVERALLY RESPONSIBLE UNDER ALL THE PROVISIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT. ACCORDINGLY, IT IS ACKNOWLEDGED AND FURTHER AGREED THAT THE DEFINITION OF "YOU" UNDER THIS AGREEMENT INCLUDES BOTH THE ADULT AT LEAST 18 YEARS OF AGE AND OTHERWISE LEGALLY COMPETENT TO READ, UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT THE PROVISIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THEMSELVES, AS WELL AS THE MINOR AGE 13-17 FOR WHOM THE ADULT IS LEGALLY PERMITTED TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THE GAME;
    5. IN CONSIDERATION FOR NCSOFT ALLOWING ACCESS TO THE GAME BY A MINOR, AND IN ADDITION TO THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 13 BELOW, THE FOREGOING ADULT HEREBY GUARANTEES AND AGREES TO PAY FOR ANY AND ALL LIABILITIES OF ANY NATURE WHATSOEVER INCURRED UNDER THIS AGREEMENT AND TO DEFEND, INDEMNIFY AND HOLD HARMLESS NCSOFT WITH RESPECT THERETO; AND
    6. THE FOREGOING ADULT ACKNOWLEDGES AND UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS GUARANTEE IS A CONTINUING, UNCONDITIONAL, AND IRREVOCABLE GUARANTEE TO PAY FOR AND TO DEFEND, INDEMNIFY AND HOLD HARMLESS NCSOFT WITH RESPECT TO ANY CLAIM RELATED TO SUCH LIABILITIES. ALL RIGHTS, REMEDIES, AND RECOURSES AFFORDED NCSOFT BY REASON OF THIS GUARANTEE OR OTHERWISE ARE SEPARATE, CUMULATIVE, AND NON-EXCLUSIVE. SUCH RIGHTS, REMEDIES, AND RECOURSES MAY BE PURSUED SEPARATELY, SUCCESSIVELY, OR CONCURRENTLY, AND ANY ACTION TAKEN BY NCSOFT WITH RESPECT TO SUCH RIGHTS, REMEDIES, AND RECOURSES SHALL IN NO WAY LIMIT OR PREJUDICE ANY OTHER LEGAL OR EQUITABLE RIGHT, REMEDY, OR RECOURSE WHICH NCSOFT MAY HAVE.
  4. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE GAME IS NOT INTENDED FOR MINORS UNDER AGE 13, AND YOU WILL NOT ALLOW ACCESS TO THE GAME, OR THE VIEWING OF ANY DISPLAY THEREOF, BY ANY MINOR UNDER AGE 13.

http://us.ncsoft.com/en/legal/user-agreements/blade-and-soul-user-agreement.php

 

 

 

 

Now that the boring stuff is settled:

PK'ing is allowed in BnS, however harassment is not.

So there is a fine line between being "ganked" as a low level by a high level or group, and being harassed and if a player feels they are being harassed they are more then free to send all information, proof and so on to NC Soft support to have it handled in a professional manner and taken care of. However NCsoft does not have to disclose the actions that they take against those who are harassing another player in game. (And they more then likely will not disclose actions they take.)

 

NCsoft also logs conversations and such, so baiting someone into PK'ing then yelling you were harassed wont work. (I've seen so many through many companies try it, and then they find out gaming companies had chat logs from in game.)

 

 

All in all:

If a player doesn't want to pvp, or be flagged for pvp, they should refrain from wearing the doboks which flag them. In addition there should be no reason a player is harassed and unable to respawn after dying the 1st time, due to the fact you can respawn from being killed, wearing no dobok, which prevents any other players from killing them. 

 

And yes I am bored.....lol

Edited by Mishi

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Grimoir   

i just want to add:

 

and....if someone else is flagged and you change your costume and start attacking them....dont cry later when you get killed because it was your own fault. (Had a level 15ish guy attack me while i was farming in jadestone and then he began crying when my kitty petted him .-.)

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Evasive   

If it was a true open player kill system then maybe this would be an acceptable idea. However, you decide if you want to pvp or not no one can force you into it if a lvl 15 thinks it's a good idea to flag up then they should get ready to face what that means.

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Brainy   

This thread is something else...

 

Just how can you get ganked in this game without willingly being flagged for PvP ?! 

 

If you want a fair match, do spars or just play the arena until your rating falls so low that you can beat lvl 45 people at lvl 15.

The game is fine as it is, besides, apart from the PvP zones, there's virtually no OWPvP. Why even talk about it ?

 

OP was probably really bored when he/she made this thread.

 

P.S. This is not Aion.

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All in all:

If a player doesn't want to pvp, or be flagged for pvp, they should refrain from wearing the doboks which flag them. In addition there should be no reason a player is harassed and unable to respawn after dying the 1st time, due to the fact you can respawn from being killed, wearing no dobok, which prevents any other players from killing them. 

 

And yes I am bored.....lol

 

 

The point is that nobody is complaining about the unfairness of equipping a dobok and getting ganked by a horde of equal levels. That is something everyone accepts. What is not accepted is the level difference which almost exclusively happens with trolls and harassers.

 

And this is only an issue if you want owPvP. Because everyone can solve this by refusing to participate until last zones and capped levels. Which is only hurting one kind of players, owPvP players.

 

I really don't care at all, because I am going to be one of those who don't bother with owPvP until capped out. But if the system was fair, you'd have one more person to ambush and kill since I'd be using the system from the start.

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Weifong   

The point is that nobody is complaining about the unfairness of equipping a dobok and getting ganked by a horde of equal levels. That is something everyone accepts. What is not accepted is the level difference which almost exclusively happens with trolls and harassers.

 

And this is only an issue if you want owPvP. Because everyone can solve this by refusing to participate until last zones and capped levels. Which is only hurting one kind of players, owPvP players.

 

I really don't care at all, because I am going to be one of those who don't bother with owPvP until capped out. But if the system was fair, you'd have one more person to ambush and kill since I'd be using the system from the start.

Are you for real? lol

You can't be trolled or harassed (in term of pvp) in this game lol. And if you're, man, idk what to say. xD

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Faith   

There is a easy solution to the pk fanatics and the people who want to PvP around their level, It's fairly easy. Make a level cap on who you can actually attack outside of arenas and all that. Example: player 1 is level 30, player 2 is level 22, player 1 or 2 can't attack each other because of a 5 level difference cap. 

 Quite a simple solution and it keeps people happy, Pkers get to Pk people to their happy little fantasy, they just have to actually do it against people their own level and have people actually be able to fight back and not be someone who only takes candy from a baby.

While people who want to PvP their own level in faction fights can do so and have fun.

 

I mean I won't get to play my happy little mercenary fantasy of killing the high levels that think it's fun to kill new players, but i'd rather see this than see a drop in the people who wanted to enjoy pvp but can't since someone was too scared to fight his own level.

 

There have been games that put restrictions on who you can attack based on a level difference and it worked really well. Kept pvpers happy, as well as lower levels happy since they didn't get 1shot by a higher level.

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The only thing I feel they should do is, if a high level is killing low levels, mark the high level with some kind of tag.  Kind of like a "Wanted dead or alive but mostly dead" tag.  This guy will be unable to take off the fraction clothes for an X amount of time.  People form other fractions can kill them and gain some kind of reward.

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Idk about this plan but I do agree the low level killing is retarded. As a person who got into the beta late, I leveled up several classes to 10-20 and wanted to test a bit of pvp to see what class I liked while trying to level. In short I didnt get much chance because of 45s sitting around killing low levels.

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TakunDes   

Killing a low level newbie is dumb yes. but it happened to every single mmo that features open world pvp very much. theres nothing you can do about it im afraid unless NCWest really has someone who is capable of adding such new features

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Cinge   

Nope. Part of world pvp. Next people will want some kind of penalty for killing someone with less gear then you.

 

If you don't want to pvp, don't put on the costume.

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