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Blade and Soul is being censored despite them previously saying otherwise.

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Waugriff   

Right back at ya!

Yes, only a minority of players will ever care.

Only a minority of players will ever care.

That goes in both directions. Which is why I am flabbergasted by the folks who are SO vehemently against the change.

I have to use the term 'cisgendered' because transgendered people (of which I am one) will have a completely different perspective and view on EVERYTHING than a 'normal' 'cisgendered' person will. I mean, obviously. Likewise, a gay or bisexual person will also have a different view. Likewise, a non-white person will also have a different view.

I mean, that's literally just clarity in writing. You'd rather I ignore or not point out the fact that people not like you will not think the same as you? Fat chance. If anything is sickening, it's your posts. You are contributing nothing.

N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

If you have anything of substance to add to this conversation, please do so. Otherwise, we're not going to get anywhere.

1. Because I would prefer the game as unaltered as possible and am vehemently opposed to restricting speech.

2. I do not care about your disorder. The fact of the matter is that the video game market in the west is primarily comprised of white men. In the east (of which this game was made) the primary market is Asian men. To think that games or any market form should pander to a minority group is ridiculous. 

 

At the end of the day though this is a censorship issue to me as opposed to a gender issue and I cannot fathom the logic of altering or feeling offended by something so insignificant, especially when there are far worse things in the game. I and many others want the game completely unaltered and though this quest issue isn't that big of a deal, the problem is the precedent that it sets as well as other idiotic decisions such as changing the poses as well as changing yun to kun.

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Really, didn't we just have a massive revolt in the gaming community over SJW's pushing their gender ideology in games?

 

I don't care if people in the west have been indoctrinated to want to censor jokes concerning women, I don't want them making value judgments for me and cenosring content.

 

Most relationships involve mutual manipulation; It's something most people who don't have cluster-B personality disorders actually enjoy about their spouses if they have chemistry, and destroying this reference to reality and turning into some holier-than-thou social justice kumbayah thing is an insult to the creator's desire for a down-to-earth story.

 

As for the clothing theft: The fetish in question is well addressed in asian media but exists in the west and goes both ways.  Some people are turned on by the odor of the opposite sex on dirty clothing. (I have lost many articles of clothing to female ex's)

Censoring this is victorian. Are we in the 1800's?

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I can name more than a few in two different language set of the quests. Also its not a male virgin I was referring to to Soha's rival 花无痕 (which I cannot really name in English) and the leader of the gang around Cinderland.

 

I do like to point out there is a quest that involves stealing women clothing so that the quest giver can marry her (technically by culture) in Watermoon plain. There is also a follow up quest that revealed they were really married and the women is pregnant.

 

Through out the game there was are jokes and dialog talking about Soha about her either not wearing enough clothe or just unaware how revealing she is. In fact when your at the black-market a pot dog and a tourist has a dialog regarding buying Soha's bra which was changed to something else. Also in the upcoming 24 man map Supply Line a group of pirates has a picture of her hanging on the wall, they all stare at it and remark of how pretty she is.

 

As for the 花无痕 (Hua Wu Heng) the reason behind the joke is because she fell in love with a man who essentially dumped her. They eventually had a fight which let to her loosing one of her eyes. Despite that fall out she (and the man) continued to have feeling for each other. I do like to point out the game is from Oriental Asia and the setting is in the past so Chasity is very much held as a positive feature. The man I'm referring to will show up as one of the major character at level 50.

 

I don't mean to be rude because it seems that English is not your first language, so this may be the problem here, but I asked for examples from the game of stories about MEN being treated like SEX TOYS and you gave me stories about WOMEN and these stories support my point that WOMEN are treated like SEX TOYS in stories and MEN are NOT. Hope that clarifies what I was asking. Thank you for the input regardless. 

 

Anyway, I fully understand that in Asian cultures (Muslim ones too) the woman's chastity is of great importance but here in the western world we consider that sort of viewpoint to be misogynistic because we (some of us at least) value women for more than their sex organs.

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Anyway, I fully understand that in Asian cultures (Muslim ones too) the woman's chastity is of great importance but here in the western world we consider that sort of viewpoint to be misogynistic because we (some of us at least) value women for more than their sex organs.

Maybe in tumblr, in the real world anyone who values stable relationships actually does value chastity in women.   The infographics and peer-reviewed research are out there showing lower promiscuity is heavily correlated with greater marriage stability, intellect, earning potential, and discipline, and no amount of propaganda can erase that reality.

Feminists can go around shaming men for having standards, make a stink so they don't want to express those standards often, but those standards will remain.

If that's "misogynistic", then it's "misandric" to expect men to earn more or have washboard abs and a chiseled chin!

 

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Pim   

Feminists can go around shaming men for having standards, make a stink so they don't want to express those standards often, but those standards will remain.

 

 

Now you go a step to far i give a shit of some Standarts and what you do is Propaganda.. 

 

you say "are we in the 1800" with you post now you speak like someone comes from 1800`s 

 

and pls stay in the Topic ....

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and pls stay in the Topic ....

 

The topic is censorship.

This poster is saying censorship is ok because male sexual standards are "misogynistic".

I say they're not, research says they're not, and nobody ever shames women for judging men based on generic female-imposed standards (income, physique, desirability to other women).

The reality is this is not about sexism at all, it's about certain narcissists wanting to have their cake and eat it too, and claiming those who call out the hypocrisy are sexists.  

For instance, if a stereotypical "jobless neckbeard in his parents basement" started complaining about "misandry" because women wouldn't date him, he'd be laughed at rightfully.

Thus this moral argument of "misogyny" holds no weight, and the censorship is unjust.

 

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1. Because I would prefer the game as unaltered as possible and am vehemently opposed to restricting speech.

2. I do not care about your disorder. The fact of the matter is that the video game market in the west is primarily comprised of white men. In the east (of which this game was made) the primary market is Asian men. To think that games or any market form should pander to a minority group is ridiculous. 

 

At the end of the day though this is a censorship issue to me as opposed to a gender issue and I cannot fathom the logic of altering or feeling offended by something so insignificant, especially when there are far worse things in the game. I and many others want the game completely unaltered and though this quest issue isn't that big of a deal, the problem is the precedent that it sets as well as other idiotic decisions such as changing the poses as well as changing yun to kun.

 

First of all your "2" is statistically inaccurate. Women make up about half the gaming population these days. 

And personally I was less offended by the original story than I am by the complaining about the change and the sexist defenses people are giving for the original.

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Senzura   

Uh, no, I'm totally okay with them changing up a quest like that. It sounds disgusting. No way would I want to help some guy steal other women's clothes. I'm not playing a porno. -_-

 

Lmao people like you are hilarious, disgusting? its a game 1st of all and hes stealing clothes. it didnt say go force that women into sleeping with you so 1 its not disgusting and 2 its not a porno and 3 you need to grow up xD

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Maybe in tumblr, in the real world anyone who values stable relationships actually does value chastity in women.   The infographics and peer-reviewed research are out there showing lower promiscuity is heavily correlated with greater marriage stability, intellect, earning potential, and discipline, and no amount of propaganda can erase that reality.

Feminists can go around shaming men for having standards, make a stink so they don't want to express those standards often, but those standards will remain.

If that's "misogynistic", then it's "misandric" to expect men to earn more or have washboard abs and a chiseled chin!

 

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I bet you are one of those good Christian men like Josh Duggar who molests his sisters and cheats on his wife with prostitutes. 

 

That study was grossly limited and not at all representative of the larger population. For starters its demographic was Americans 18-34 years old. Second you seem to be misunderstanding the findings: it is the WOMEN who reported being "happier in their marriage" when she had fewer sexual partners (specifically, when she entered the marriage as a virgin), not the men reporting greater happiness because they married a virgin. As a woman, I'd be willing to bet money that majority of these women are just reporting such satisfaction because they were stupid enough to "wait until marriage" and have probably never experienced an orgasm, are likely terrible in bed, and their husbands are more than likely going to cheat on them, if they haven't started to already. These women, at the maximum ripe old age of 34 (lol) are probably going to be reporting severe dissatisfaction later in life when that 20/20 hindsight will shatter the blissful ignorance they were living in for the duration of their marriages. Even the researchers who published that study explained the "marital satisfaction" as likely the result of inexperience and unawareness of alternatives: "more experience may increase one's awareness of alternative partners."

 

Nice try though. 

 

Here's the full report for anyone interested: http://nationalmarriageproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/NMP-BeforeIDoReport-Final.pdf

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First of all your "2" is statistically inaccurate. Women make up about half the gaming population these days.

False, that proportion only shows up if you toss in games like candy crush and farmville.

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That study was grossly limited and not at all representative of the larger population. For starters its demographic was Americans 18-34 years old.  

In other words, prime family-formation age.

 

 

 

(massive hateful and emotional anti-male diatribe blaming and shaming men for failed relationships, then confirming yourself that promiscuous women don't hold their vows)

And thanks for proving you hate men while also conceding my point regarding the validity of male standards.  

Protip: If women are the ones breaking up marriages over "bad sex" only, then it's the women, not the men, who view the opposite gender as  "only their sex organ", and upstanding men have every rational right to screen for that when considering starting a family.

 

 

 

And personally I was less offended by the original story than I am by the complaining about the change and the sexist defenses people are giving for the original.

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Huh....9 pages talking about a change that isn't even part of the main plot.

 

A change one can skip over. On a quest that takes at most a few minutes.

 

They didn't even say they wouldn't be doing this.

The promise of keeping something uncensored was entirely regarding outfits.

I actually expected them to do stuff like this.

 

Now I just wonder how bored everyone must be for this to be a "hot" topic.

 

Edit: Upon reading around, it appears the train that was this thread has long crashed.

...and is now on fire...and that fire is constantly growing...

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False, that proportion only shows up if you toss in games like candy crush and farmville.

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In other words, prime family-formation age.

 

And thanks for proving you hate men while also conceding my point regarding the validity of male standards.

 

I love men. I just hate sexist pigs like you. 

And thanks for proving you hate men while also conceding my point regarding the validity of male standards.  

Protip: If women are the ones breaking up marriages over "bad sex" only, then it's the women, not the men, who view men as  "only their sex organ".

 

 

Try to comprehend what I said rather than putting words in my mouth. "Dissatisfaction" does not translate to "OH MY GOD SHE IS BREAKING HER MARRIAGE VOWS!" That's what men do, darling -- apparently even when they're "totally satisfied" with their virgin brides. Stop projecting. 

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I just hate sexist pigs like you. 

 

Try to comprehend what I said rather than putting words in my mouth. "Dissatisfaction" does not translate to "OH MY GOD SHE IS BREAKING HER MARRIAGE VOWS!" That's what men do, darling -- apparently even when they're "totally satisfied" with their virgin brides. Stop projecting. 

And the mask comes off.  Thanks for being honest about absolutely hating men.

I don't appreciate censorship based on motivations like this.

I personally don't expect "snow white purity", but declaring the entire subject so off-limits to the point of censorship, even in the case of a plot-line which gives the philanderer his comeuppance, is ridiculous.

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Zerecas   

*Directing my thought mostly to the topic.*

 

I don't get all these censorship, I mean its fictional.

Censorship will not help one and it will not solve whatever problem there is, in real life. The problem lies within one's moral, whether the censorship is there or not.

In CN server, we've got costume censorship because it has too much exposure, like seriously, everyone have seen more than what the game could offer.

 

Neither games nor offensive contents makes you to approach negativity, they simply don't. If you're cannot differentiate fantasy with reality, then you're the problem to begin with.

If it does, then so do religion. Opps, did I just started a forbidden topic?

 

Whether it is for eastern or western audiences, whether the content setting is from eastern or western, I think in year 2015, everybody should have just move on without the censorship. 

Chat filter will not stop people from using vulgarity. 

Adultery rating will not stop kids from viewing.

 

But at least, they leave the costume alone, they simply did a bad job in censoring costume in the first place, for example in CN, those body part are basically got covered with a pile of matte paints.

 

Once again, this is a game.

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I can understand why they changed that quest, because, quite honestly, the original would've made me grossly uncomfortable for, as LWS said, not the subject matter but rather the manner in which it was approached. That being said, the fact that they decided that the best way to address this was to just....haul off and completely make things up seems a bit...unnecessary? Rather than changing the dialogue entirely it seems like they could've just, I don't know? Pointed out that the guy was being gross and creepy? There was absolutely no reason to avoid the subject entirely. That's not addressing the problem, that's shoving it under the carpet and pretending it doesn't exist.

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All this fuss over a few quests and dialog changed!? Sheesh! If only that was the least of your worries regarding the game! Just play the game for what it is and hope it doesn't go pay to win! I honestly didn't have a problem with any of this and I have played the Uncensored Russian version. To me, this isn't that big of a deal compared to the difficulty things are between the Russian and English version. Russian version is a huge grindfest! Be happy you won't be spending your whole time grinding like a scrub on the English version like you would the Russian one and maybe do something productive with your life maybe? I just don't get why ppl always have to complain about something?

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I can understand why they changed that quest, because, quite honestly, the original would've made me grossly uncomfortable for, as LWS said, not the subject matter but rather the manner in which it was approached. That being said, the fact that they decided that the best way to address this was to just....haul off and completely make things up seems a bit...unnecessary? Rather than changing the dialogue entirely it seems like they could've just, I don't know? Pointed out that the guy was being gross and creepy? There was absolutely no reason to avoid the subject entirely. That's not addressing the problem, that's shoving it under the carpet and pretending it doesn't exist.

 

It's quite obvious he's being gross and creepy. He's skulking around being a peeping tom and requesting assistance in theft.  The game is for mature audiences, we don't need things pointed out to us like we're 3 (by 5 kids can recognize devious behavior)

That said there were many better ways to do this.  Even a classic gender-inversion with original script in-tact wouldn't be all that bad.

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It's quite obvious he's being gross and creepy. He's skulking around being a peeping tom and requesting assistance in theft.  The game is for mature audiences, we don't need things pointed out to us like we're 3 (by 5 kids can recognize devious behavior)

That said there were many better ways to do this.  Even a classic gender-inversion with original script in-tact wouldn't be all that bad.

I'm not saying it wasn't obvious he was being gross and creepy, it was an example. Just perhaps not the best one I've ever made. The real issue with the original quest line is that they treat someone getting forced into marriage and raped as a punchline, and really, all it would've taken was a change in overall tone with the way this was presented. That's literally it. But instead the writers decided to go almost the furthest away from it they could've, and that kind of coddling is all kinds of unnecessary in a game that's, as you pointed out, rated M.

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Cherish   

174 posts so far on this thread and approximately 70 of those are by around 5-6 people who are visibly trying to force their opinions down everybody elses throats. 

 

All I can say is you guys must spend a lot of time running around the game searching for little bits and pieces to nitpick about.  You can call it censorship I just call it a revision to suit the laws and changing times of the world.  I will say though it is quite amusing watching you folks trying your damndest to make this little molehill into a mountain :D

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BigJ01   

Attacking NCsoft when they do something right isn't the best way to get them to listen to you. Like others said this is just more suited for the west.

Those who think stealing girls clothes from the hotspring is common are simply living in the world of anime. That's not ok in Asia and you'd probably get attacked if you did that in the West.

Just the fact that you created an entire thread in order to attempt to get a quest line changed so you can play a pervert who steals clothes is completely stupid.

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Attacking NCsoft when they do something right isn't the best way to get them to listen to you. Like others said this is just more suited for the west.

Those who think stealing girls clothes from the hotspring is common are simply living in the world of anime. That's not ok in Asia and you'd probably get attacked if you did that in the West.

Just the fact that you created an entire thread in order to attempt to get a quest line changed so you can play a pervert who steals clothes is completely stupid.

And yet there it is in the game, produced in Asia.

God forbid we portray someone doing something wrong in a game.

How about we change GTA to replace guns with pillows because murder is also "not ok".

 

 

 

ou can call it censorship I just call it a revision to suit the laws and changing times of the world.

Yes, politically-correct white-washing of both current events and history are on the rise.

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Daiceman   

Murdering 80% of the people you meet: it's just a game.

Stealing clothing from women: unacceptable misogyny.

Arguing about the perceived morality of player characters in a videogame which you spend a majority of your time killing everything you meet then robbing their corpses is silly.

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