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Blade and Soul is being censored despite them previously saying otherwise.

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Mage   

No, I am not talking about the outfits. I am talking about a specific side quest. Yes, I do read them. The side quest in question will be marked as a spoiler and will be a quote from another thread.

 

 

@LordXeen

Ah, that quest.  Oof.

 

This particular NPC and quest chain was infamous among the team during localization.  I was personally in charge of rewriting the entire quest line and NPC interactions in what is now called the "A Scholarly Path" side-quest chain.  In the original version of the content, the NPC with the pun EN1 name "Ma Ture" was a misogynistic philanderer who, after having an affair with the wife of an official, ended up in prison for the insult.  He suffered some unspecified abuse there that rendered him sexually impotent.  As a result, the first few rounds of side-quests the PC does for him are essentially him sending the player out to find cures for his impotence.  In the quest you mentioned, he's being a peeping tom spying on women as they bathe.  He wants the PC to steal some of their clothes because he believes that the women are "nymphs" and, because of some local legend, they will be forced to marry him if he has their clothes.  In the end, it turns out the women were Lycandi and that the tribe has some kind of similar custom for an unexplained reason.  Ma Ture ends up being forced to marry one of them and impregnates her, despite being very vocal about not having any sort of feelings for her, thinking she's unattractive because she's got muscles, and passive-aggressively blaming the PC for ruining his life because he's stuck married to a woman he doesn't like.

 

The whole original quest chain is played for comedic purposes, focusing on a skeevy guy who gets his comeuppance.  The punchline boiled down to "Well, he's saddled with a woman he hates for the rest of his life, but at least he got his *cricket* back!"  The whole thing was presented in a very questionable manner that sent up a lot of red flags while the quests were under review.  The nature of the NPC, his actions, and the PC's involvement in them made pretty much everyone on the team really uncomfortable.  Doubly so considering there's another side quest in that same zone that deals with the fact that Lycandi women get kidnapped and enslaved.  It's one thing to have content in a mature-rated game that addresses sexuality or plays around with adult humor, but another entirely where it makes use of crass and frankly misogynistic concepts.  That sort of thing just isn't funny and it raised way more concerns than it did laughs.

 

In the current EN3, the entire quest chain and NPC have been re-written.  Effectively, the character was made into a decent human being who doesn't go around trying to force women into marriage against their will.  Now EN3'd as "Olgani", the NPC is a scholar who's studying the Lycandi in hopes of bringing their currently-at-odds communities together peacefully.  In previous quests where he sent the PC off to find what he believed to be home remedy versions of Viagra, instead he's asking the PC to help him research different aspects of the Lycandi's lifestyle to better understand them.  The bathing pool quest you mentioned earlier was changed to remove any degree of him spying on the women (while simultaneously poking fun at a bit of meta-humor from the writers involving confusion over the Lycandi character models).  The end of the quest chain has him meeting one of the women - a scholar herself among her own people, interested in learning more about his culture as he was about hers.

 

It's not a matter of censorship or anything like that.  There are a number of quests and NPC interactions in the game that go into playful innuendos and the like.  It's more a question of whether or not we wanted to include some genuinely questionable and uncomfortable content when we had the ability to make it something more welcoming.  When I'm presented with the choice of writing a character and story line that is pretty reprehensible without it being critical commentary on his actions, or reworking it to a more positive direction that isn't going to make me and others squirm, I'm not exactly going to hesitate to go for the latter.

 

 

Even if you agree with what was done (I don't. I REALLY REALLY don't) It is still censorship. But NCSOFT claimed there would be no censorship. Now, they might try to backpedal and say they were only referring to the clothes. However, I'll post three sites that claim that NCSOFT said there won't be any censorship or the game will be completely uncensored. 

 

http://nichegamer.com/2015/05/rejoice-no-censorship-or-fatigue-system-for-the-western-version-of-blade-soul/

http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/05/21/blade-game-wont-be-pay-to-win/

http://www.siliconera.com/2015/05/22/western-version-of-blade-soul-will-be-free-to-play-uncensored-and-will-have-no-fatigue-system/

 

Not only is this censorship, but they are hiding away cultural aspects of the eastern areas. They are insulting the players, the creator of the quest, and ultimately changing and removing the culture, history, and folk lore of the eastern part of our would. The fact that this game has an Asian theme is, at least for me, a major selling point. Most MMOs take place in the same old boring High European Fantasy setting. We finally get a fantasy Asian setting, only for NCSOFT to take aspects of it away for a minority of players. I mean lets face it. The ones who will keep playing this game far after launch are the ones who love this type of setting. They don't want the world of Blade & Soul to be westernized, they just want it translated. 

 

Day two of thread Edit: I should of added this to the OP on the first day, but I didn't get around to it until now. If you didn't know, more that just this side quest have been censored. Some actual story quests have been censored, as well as other side quests. Please visit this thread created by @Rahayahttps://forums.bladeandsoul.com/forums/index.php?/topic/139206-what-did-you-do-to-the-story-spoilers/

 

I'd like to ask people to make that post more prosperous.  If you haven't liked it, please do. Even that could help getting it change back to how it should be. 

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Naunet   

Uh, no, I'm totally okay with them changing up a quest like that. It sounds disgusting. No way would I want to help some guy steal other women's clothes. I'm not playing a porno. -_-

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Purple   

Uh, no, I'm totally okay with them changing up a quest like that. It sounds disgusting. No way would I want to help some guy steal other women's clothes. I'm not playing a porno. -_-

Because stealing is "Porn" now days.

Why should it matter because its a womans clothes, I bet if it was a guys it would be fine.

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GnatB   

Strange, I seem to vaguely remember them saying years ago that the one thing they WERE going to change about the game was adjust story, lore, and names to make them more compatible with a western audience, where necessary.  (I believe the example given was changing some sort of undead creature that's found in Korean folklore to something that Western players would recognize, and changing enough of the story involving these creatures so that the change made sense.)

 

Strictly speaking, this just sounds like a more exaggerated case of the same.  Though I have to wonder if the Devs were perhaps overly sensitive.  That original storyline doesn't sound all that horrible to me.  Admittedly, I don't think I've played an RPG in the last few years that didn't involve hot spring snooping, so maybe I've just been immunized.  Heck, IIRC even the last Tales game had a scene.

 

(edit:  Seriously though, what is it with hot spring scenes where the guy either accidentally or intentionally peeps, but either way gets caught?)

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Uh, no, I'm totally okay with them changing up a quest like that. It sounds disgusting. No way would I want to help some guy steal other women's clothes. I'm not playing a porno. -_-

 

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Brogg   

No, I am not talking about the outfits. I am talking about a specific side quest. Yes, I do read them. The side quest in question will be marked as a spoiler and will be a quote from another thread.

 

 
 

 

Even if you agree with what was done (I don't. I REALLY REALLY don't) It is still censorship. But NCSOFT claimed there would be no censorship. Now, they might try to backpedal and say they were only referring to the clothes. However, I'll post three sites that claim that NCSOFT said there won't be any censorship or the game will be completely uncensored. 

 

http://nichegamer.com/2015/05/rejoice-no-censorship-or-fatigue-system-for-the-western-version-of-blade-soul/

http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/05/21/blade-game-wont-be-pay-to-win/

http://www.siliconera.com/2015/05/22/western-version-of-blade-soul-will-be-free-to-play-uncensored-and-will-have-no-fatigue-system/

 

Not only is this censorship, but they are hiding away cultural aspects of the eastern areas. They are insulting the players, the creator of the quest, and ultimately changing and removing the culture, history, and folk lore of the eastern part of our would. The fact that this game has an Asian theme is, at least for me, a major selling point. Most MMOs take place in the same old boring High European Fantasy setting. We finally get a fantasy Asian setting, only for NCSOFT to take aspects of it away for a minority of players. I mean lets face it. The ones who will keep playing this game far after launch are the ones who love this type of setting. They don't want the world of Blade & Soul to be westernized, they just want it translated. 

I agree, sort of, and I disagree, sort of.  They didn't censor it for the sake of censoring it.  They changed the quest to make it more palatable to their audience.  I've done this quest and it was fun to do.  (I'm playing the game for fun so I expect the game to be fun.)  Now after reading about the quest as it originally was, I don't think I would have enjoyed it.  So they didn't remove the quest because it needed censoring, they removed it because the scenario would not in all likelihood be enjoyable to a western audience.  If your editing a novel, game, movie or any other media, you have to keep in mind the intended audience.  And if you want your product to be will received then sometimes you're going to have to change things that don't fit well in that audience's culture.  Yes you could say that "they are hiding away cultural aspects of the eastern areas", but again if the majority of the audience you are trying to influence favourably toward your game would be offended by a certain quest, then it is in your best interests to change that quest.

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rocdog   

Because stealing is "Porn" now days.

Why should it matter because its a womans clothes, I bet if it was a guys it would be fine.

 

How much would you bet?  If it was a guy's clothes, you'd have the Westboro Baptist Church picketing NCWest's headquarters.

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Naunet   

Because stealing is "Porn" now days.

Why should it matter because its a womans clothes, I bet if it was a guys it would be fine.

 

Not if it revolved around what is essentially sexual assault. So please don't put words in my mouth. There's a very good reason it made the writers uncomfortable.

 

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Happily married woman, actually. Not that it matters. Humans are humans and generally deserve respect. And perving on unwilling people isn't really okay even if it's in a video game. I know it's not a quest I would have felt at all comfortable completing in its original form.

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AttacKat   

Not only is this censorship, but they are hiding away cultural aspects of the eastern areas. They are insulting the players, the creator of the quest, and ultimately changing and removing the culture, history, and folk lore of the eastern part of our would. The fact that this game has an Asian theme is, at least for me, a major selling point.

 

Please, don't be so naive. Think before you make a complain.

 

There is the issue of censorship, then there is the issue of politically correct and "legally allowed" according to the region.

 

Do you know in China, it is still legal and general practice to post job ads listing the exact age and sex of the person you want to hire for a position? Try that in the US. If you put in content like that, now you are going into the realm of being insensitive to women in general follow by a lot of legal issues. To have the story openly say it is okay to be a peeping-tom is okay in the East because they still treats that as a joke and open hire people based on age and sex, here in US it is a sexual offense and can land you in jail.

 

Do you really want the game to go down that road before it is even released?

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Purple   

 

Not if it revolved around what is essentially sexual assault. So please don't put words in my mouth. There's a very good reason it made the writers uncomfortable.

 

 

Happily married woman, actually. Not that it matters. Humans are humans and generally deserve respect. And perving on unwilling people isn't really okay even if it's in a video game. I know it's not a quest I would have felt at all comfortable completing in its original form.

 

More like someone complained, have you actually done the quest before?

You simply take the clothes of the rock and take them to the guy, whos looking at the woman....... Tell me if im wrong but some guy spying on them seems like a thing that happens in the western world.

 

I guess its all opinion and preference

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Lurkios   

The censorship is unnecessary and unwelcome, in my opinion. I cannot fathom why a small team of writers was allowed to force their tastes on the entirety of the NA audience and I find that fact that they were not only allowed, but directed to do so incredibly disappointing. There is absolutely no reason an M rated MMO needs to read like a children's book.

 

The world isn't perfect, lets not pretend that it is.

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I have been follow that thread on the Dojo forums and is nothing but a pissing match.

 

You guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill, and im sick of it.

 

Here some words of wisdom: If you don't like what they did, then please continue playing the game elsewhere like you have been doing. Localization problems or not, the endgame is the same, and I'm going to play the NA version.

 

I swear, 50 people think they have like 10,000 people following them in masses to change this very minor problem when its nothing but them in reflective mirrors.

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Purple   

The censorship is unnecessary and unwelcome, in my opinion. I cannot fathom why a small team of writers was allowed to force their tastes on the entirety of the NA audience and I find that fact that they were not only allowed, but directed to do so incredibly disappointing. There is absolutely no reason an M rated MMO needs to read like a children's book.

 

The world isn't perfect, lets not pretend that it is.

My thoughts exactly

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Because stealing is "Porn" now days.

Why should it matter because its a womans clothes, I bet if it was a guys it would be fine.

Well... yes. Yes, it would be fine, because that never happens. It'd be a trope inversion.

You guys can't honestly be THAT ignorant of reality that you fail to understand the centuries of oppression and subjugation that women have suffered? Do you not know even the basics of human history?

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Happily married woman, actually. Not that it matters. Humans are humans and generally deserve respect. And perving on unwilling people isn't really okay even if it's in a video game. I know it's not a quest I would have felt at all comfortable completing in its original form.

 

It was either one or the other, frankly . . .

 

Thanks for protecting our maiden hearts, keeping us away from this *cricket*ed up world #carebear

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Naunet   

More like someone complained, have you actually done the quest before?

You simply take the clothes of the rock and take them to the guy, whos looking at the woman....... Tell me if im wrong but some guy spying on them seems like a thing that happens in the western world.

 

I guess its all opinion and preference

 

I don't have to have. I read the description as presented by the people doing the localization. It's quite easy to know that's not a quest I'd want to do.

 

It was either one or the other, frankly . . .

 

Thanks for protecting our maiden hearts, keeping us away from the world is *cricket*ed up #carebear

 

Insults aren't necessary. Though I welcome your accusations if it means I'm pissing off someone who enjoys roleplaying as taking part in sexually harassing women.

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Lyndis   

" I know it's not a quest I would have felt at all comfortable completing in its original form."

 

 

So as a woman who is comfortable with it what does that tell us?

 

The fact of the matter is that it's a terrible localization practice and it's a member(s) of the staff changing text and altering in-game events because their own biased "subjective" opinion tells them it is bad/wrong and therefore NOBODY is allowed to view said content.  It's self-censorship and it is disgusting and people should have a zero tolerance policy on it.

 

I didn't pay for you to tell me what content I am/am not allowed to partake in, I paid for you to translate the game into a language I can comprehend and understand.

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Naunet   

Self-censorship is absolutely 100% fine. It is entirely the writers' choice to present whatever they want to present. If someone feels like they wrote something too discomforting, then they have every right to change it. Never put a product out that you don't feel comfortable with.

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AttacKat   

I didn't pay for you to tell me what content I am/am not allowed to partake in, I paid for you to translate the game into a language I can comprehend and understand.

 

They have said they will rearrange parts of the story, you agreed and paid them.

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Lurkios   

 

The fact of the matter is that it's a terrible localization practice and it's a member(s) of the staff changing text and altering in-game events because their own biased "subjective" opinion tells them it is bad/wrong and therefore NOBODY is allowed to view said content.  It's self-censorship and it is disgusting and people should have a zero tolerance policy on it.

 

I didn't pay for you to tell me what content I am/am not allowed to partake in, I paid for you to translate the game into a language I can comprehend and understand.

 

 

Couldn't have said it better.

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Insults aren't necessary. Though I welcome your accusations if it means I'm pissing off someone who enjoys roleplaying as taking part in sexually harassing women.

 

There's no insult, and still there's no sexual harassment in this chain of quest, did you really read what's happening in this one ?

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