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We need a serious talk about costume prices

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It's funny because they're forgetting that NCSoft is literally adding a function so you can buy things from the Hongmoon store via IN-GAME currency

I don't think anyone has forgotten this point, nor have we forgotten that some of these items will be drops in the game too. But the prices in the cash shop are a separate equation. The cash shop is one of the mechanisms for funding this franchise, and we want to support that to a reasonable and fair degree that helps offset the cost of NCWest/NCSoft providing the services of enjoying this F2P MMO and to continue to expand and enhance it. Gathering in-game currency is fine and a nice bonus, an incentive to players to tolerate the inevitable grind, but for this game to remain F2P and free of the negative variants of that model (e.g., time-limited goods, RNG chests, P2W merchandise,...) the service provider (NC) needs to realize a fair profit from the Cash Shop and Premium memberships. What we don't want is excessive charges that prohibit most players from regular patronage of that cash shop.

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bloom   

I don't think anyone has forgotten this point, nor have we forgotten that some of these items will be drops in the game too. But the prices in the cash shop are a separate equation. The cash shop is one of the mechanisms for funding this franchise, and we want to support that to a reasonable and fair degree that helps offset the cost of NCWest/NCSoft providing the services of enjoying this F2P MMO and to continue to expand and enhance it. Gathering in-game currency is fine and a nice bonus, an incentive to players to tolerate the inevitable grind, but for this game to remain F2P and free of the negative variants of that model (e.g., time-limited goods, RNG chests, P2W merchandise,...) the service provider (NC) needs to realize a fair profit from the Cash Shop and Premium memberships. What we don't want is excessive charges that prohibit most players from regular patronage of that cash shop.

well said lets see in roughly 2 days the CBT starts . hopefully they got the message  regarding the overcharged prices  for the NA region 

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well said lets see in roughly 2 days the CBT starts . hopefully they got the message  regarding the overcharged prices  for the NA region 

Totally agree with you there my friend.  Them high prices for NA... not like we got cash flying around and growing on trees, but people still buy nomatter the price "lol".  I do hope they lower the prices and split the range for those that drop from world and those you can only buy via hongmoon. *crosses fingers* for the price drops!

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Anvh   

im just astonished by how there isnt a single reply from NCSOFT

there is, shop prices are not final and they want our feedback. that is the official reply

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Valek   

erza i will really like to see a video with those latest outfits and the price , were did u find them because i cant find any latest outfit for yun class on youtube....

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We could always put costumes in 1$ rng boxes like tera 

 

WHO KNOWS maybe you'll get luckily  

 

#gamblersanonymouscalling 

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Tanimo   

do i smell thread war?

 

down with rng! burn them all before they lay eggs

 

 

 

Lyn is Master Race

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Xotherz   

ok , sooooo..... putting aside the fact that i can spend a lot of money on games, the fact that i don`t really care about cosmetics in general (its not something restricted on this amazing game , and i think there are some amazing costumes in the game ) i think the price in the cash shop should be lower . Now from what they said in the past live streams , prices in the cash shop are not even near the final version , and are there just for testing . Now from that i think that is safe to say that i`m almost 100% sure prices will change in the cash shop , but i don`t think we will be see a final version until january - february next year , so don`t panic and be patient . and for the P2W ... welll ... i don`t thing the game is in any way shape or form P2W even with high prices for cosmetics , if anything that will be pay to look good (lol ) but not P2w . Now i know different people have different definitions for P2W ( mine is : if a game starts to sell in its cash shop items like : end game items , any items that have big stats on them witch really make the difference between someone how has them and someone how dose not ,u cant make money in the game unless u spend real money , all of these are for me P2W elements non of witch are present in Blade & Soul EU/NA . Now we ho have at the moment materials and low lvl gems in the shop , but these are for testing i think so its ok . ) 

 

 

Everything i said above is my own opinion , please don`t get offended , just because i said something it doesn`t mean that it really is of should be like i said . And please excuse my bad english. 

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Anvh   

Now i know different people have different definitions for P2W ( mine is : if a game starts to sell in its cash shop items like : end game items , any items that have big stats on them witch really make the difference between someone how has them and someone how dose not ,u cant make money in the game unless u spend real money , all of these are for me P2W elements non of witch are present in Blade & Soul EU/NA . Now we ho have at the moment materials and low lvl gems in the shop , but these are for testing i think so its ok . )

You can buy end level materials in the shop which you need for upgrading your gear

You have more then double the money gain with subscription

and you can trade NCoins for ingame money, which you can use to buy power

For example in TW and JP a legendary weapon can drop in one of the lvl 50 dungeon, this item is nor soul bound and is the best weapon in the game. It sells for a lot of money on the AH.

Can you buy that weapon by playing the game well yeah, but if it is doable is a second question and that answer is no for JP and TW as far as I know.

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Xotherz   

play2win!

 

and u can sell ncoin for ingame gold 

First of all you can sell ingame gold for Ncoin but you recive hangmooncoin , second , this is one of the best futures a game like this can offer . No more gold farmers and spammers , because now you have a safe way to trade (or at least not that many ) , and now with this future the game gives u more possibilities in terms on haw you play the game . If u rather prefer  playing  the game more instead of paying  real money to get something from the cash shop you can . This is very nice , a system where u get reworded for playing the game more . And for the last ting you comment is = to a big 0 , just saying "play2win!" dose not  actually say anything . Please if u want to be taken seriously bring some actual facts , or if u trolling please stop it , we don`t need u here. 

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Xotherz   

You can buy end level materials in the shop which you need for upgrading your gear

You have more then double the money gain with subscription

and you can trade NCoins for ingame money, which you can use to buy power

For example in TW and JP a legendary weapon can drop in one of the lvl 50 dungeon, this item is nor soul bound and is the best weapon in the game. It sells for a lot of money on the AH.

Can you buy that weapon by playing the game well yeah, but if it is doable is a second question and that answer is no for JP and TW as far as I know.

first , materials are there just for testing purposes (they will be removed when the game lunches )  , second , gold from quest is increased just by 30 % at the highest lvl of the premium membership , and the 150 % incresed gold from combat at lvl 10 membership  gives u just a few coppers for each mob killed  . This is not the TW server or the JP one , so u don`t know haw the legendary system will work as of yet . And as far the gold exchange goes it is balanced , players decide the prices . And think a little , legendary weapons/materials for it  still come from the game content , you still have to play the game to get them . The P2W problem is put in the context where power is sold on the cash shop and can only be obtained through it , witch is not the case here . + every game has a site that sells its currency in a way or another , just that fact that this one dose it in an official way and in a better player friendly way is not a - its a + . this is what i think . 

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Anvh   

You are forgetting the discount you get for upgrading your weapons and discount on the AH fee as well I believe.

 

I named TW and JP because i know for sure that they have this weapon, but CH and KR can also have it.

 

like you say the definiation of p2w is quite open for interpretation and this is not the thread for this, we are tal;kking about the outfit prices that are 2 times as high as in the other regions.

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Xotherz   

In my opinion these are just quality of life improvements nothing more . But you are right this is not the place to argue about p2w . We are talking about prices for costumes in cash shop . 

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Grand   

In the following i am specifically talking about costume prices, since i did not look at every item the shop has to offer. I do know that this is not the final state of the prices and that they are most likely intentional high since from an marketing perspective it would be way worse to start with low prices and rise them than to start with high prices and to decrease them. But if noone talks about it they could get the impression that the prices are not as insane as they are.

 

The prices are ridiculous. Most costumes are around 800 - 1600 NCoin. 

That means an average costume costs between 10 and 20 bucks... which is just absolutely insane. I doubt that this word is even fitting anymore.

 

Dont get me wrong, i actually dont have a problem with paying for a game. I bought the master pack and i am going to be actively subbed. But honestly, i expect costumes to cost <= 5 bucks, with special (like seasonal, limited edition, ...) ones maybe, maybe, being closer to the 7-10. 

 

Assuming you play 2-3 chars and plan on buying 1-2 costumes each, which - let's be honest - isnt that much, the amount of money you would have to put into the costumes alone is just way to high. If we go with an average of 1200 NCoin per costume that'd make 2.5*1.5*1200 = 4500 NCoin. Which is about 60 bucks. To put this into perspective, we are talking about nothing more than 1.5*2.5 = 3.75 costumes. 

 

It doesnt even get much better if we only buy the costumes that would be considered "cheap" in the current shop. 

 

 

 

The following is my own opinion and people might disagree with it:

I made the experience that, in nearly every game, i tend to spend a lot of money if i dont feel like it's wasted at all. This means i, personally, keep on spending money and dont regret it if the game offers me "a lot" for the money i spend. On the other hand i made the experience that i tend to be think twice about spending money at all if the prices are ridiculous. 

I mean, i spend 120 bucks on the master pack alone. Yes, there are NCoins in the pack. It's about 90 bucks of NCoin. That doesnt change the fact that it's a sh*itton of money and i dont want to see it melt before my eyes for something like 6-10 costumes. 

 

I'm not sure right now, but if i got it right costumes are not even account but character bound, correct? In that case i'd say 5 bucks, equalling 400-500 NCoin for a costume would be the maximum they should demand. 

To prevent people from saying "well they have to live from something too" - i know. Everyone knows. That doesnt mean that the prices should be ridiculously high :)

Putting the question aside if they loose a lot or not (considering that many more people will buy (more) when prices are lower), i hope that most people understand that games tend to run just fine with fair prices. Without naming specific titles, some of them are purchased with one-time payments, others have cheap/fair microtransactions. That includes server costs and service. 

 

I hope i managed to present my opinion on this topic. Since i'm not native in english i apologise for any mistakes made, i'll blame the time ;D

Tell me your opinion on this. Do you think the prices are fair? Are you like me and like to spend money if you dont feel like it's wasted? Or are you just fine with high prices since you only plan on buying one or two costumes? 

 

One thing to add: I did never play the taiwan versions/chinese/.. version. So i'm assuming that you will get most costumes through drops/quests/rewards and just a few from the shop, but (!) that doesnt mean the current prices of up to 20 bucks for one costume are in any way justifiable.

 

 

 

 

Edit:

I agree with the people who say that it's better to have expensive costumes than a P2W game. However, i disagree with the assumption that more affordable prices for costumes would result in a P2W game. As i said above (hoping everyone went through the effort to acrually read the post..) there are very successfull games out there that are based on well working f2p models, or one time purchases. And let's be honest... MMORPG's are most likely the biggest money machine you can put on the marked. No matter what you do, you only need a few "big whales" to keep going. 

So yes:

High Prices > P2W

BUT:

Fair prices are easily possible without resorting to P2W. And fair prices without P2W > ridiculous prices any time ^^

It doesn't seem that expensive to me... Plus everything you can buy there is pretty much vanity, so it isn't really p2w if we're talking about costumes. If you want to talk about p2w, then you want to address things like elite status bonuses, purchasable consumable bundles, purchasable consumables that are better than consumables and only available if you buy them with money, etc. And those things SHOULD be a bit more expensive. I'm fine with the prices honestly. Wish we had a bit more variety but meh. It'll come with time.

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Familiar   

Kind of on-topic, kind of off.

 

Do they have any plans to finally start selling weapon skins at some point in the future? I know that no region is currently doing it now, and a lot of events reward weapon skins, but I think it would at quite a bit of extra money if they did. I, myself, am not really a costume collector kind of person, but I LOVE to collect a lot of different weapon skins and would be more than willing to buy some from the store.

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I haven't cleaned in a year, but my house is fine.  You'd screech if you saw my cousin's house.   Comparitive reasoning is just lazy. I can draw a reference scale from anything, it doesn't make it accurate. I'd rather not get screwed at all than get screwed while eating a cupcake, one is better but it still sucks.

Idk about you but getting screwed while having a cupcake is awesome....o wait you didn't mean it like that did you lol

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Kashido   

I don't care what the costumes cost but a school girl costume without the shimapan is a criminal oversight and needs to be corrected ;)

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