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  1. Well I see Grimoir still trying to protect this game like they got a stake in it. Ah, somethings remain the same I suppose.

    6 hours ago, SilverFoxR said:

    So... we have another "enlightened soul" who is sharing their "vast wisdom" about how we shouldn't play a game... on that game's forums. Mmhmm... never heard that one before.


    How about three reasons why you should play this game...

    1) It's a game

    2) You're interested in it

    3) You want to play it


    There. Done. Now how about we stop telling people what to do with their free time and let them make up their own decisions? Additionally, if you hate the game so much, why are you still here? And, if the response is going to be "I quit [insert time method here]." then why are you still posting on these forums?

    Welp, I also see folks still come in like someone sending personal shots. Whether you have heard it before is irrelevant. If one is trying to speak to people who play or might play the game. The official forums would be a pretty decent place for it. It's as if the forum for the game, is used for talking about the game......whoa! shocker I know, I know.


    As for your three reasons.

    1. Yes it is a game. So is Russian Roulette. 

    2. And interest can change like the wind.

    3. Which can change like the wind.


    Also, oh my.....are you? Are you trying to tell people what to do with their free time? Was it not the OP's decision to write this in their free time? Are you trying to stop it now? I thought you were against it ?? As for the very last bit. Someone can hate and love/enjoy something. Just because one is personally invested, doesn't mean they can't see the issues that may turn off others and point them out. But I guess you have to be "enlightened" to know that much.

  2. 26 minutes ago, NightFer said:

    Stop running with randoms and form your own group OR run with your clan, thats easier than changing the game. Its been like this forever and it wasnt changed. The game is in KR for over 5 years. Nothing changed. If Koreans doesnt bother with this, why the western community is against it? Spoiled much? I wonder.

    Of course that's easier then changing the game. But how exactly does that change the fact that it was a "eh" method to begin with? I don't expect it to change but your reasoning behind it's existence then saying the anger should be placed with those who do it instead of those who even put it in was all in all crap. There were better methods to block access to the boss then simply killing people because someone was impatient. Being irritated with the entire thing falls as much on the people who put in such lazy design as well as those who take advantage of it.


    Also how exactly do you not know the folks in KR weren't against it at some point? Do you speak Korean? were you there for every step of the way observing complaints? Also last time I checked, the community in KR and NA are quite different. So I don't know, how could people from different parts of the globe have differences of opinion on said subject? hmm. But spoiled? hardly. I wasn't asking for change, I simply made a comment and am aware of a bad system. 


    Only thing you should wonder is how you talk so much without much thought behind it. 

  3. 8 hours ago, NightFer said:

    Fires are a way of stopping people to rejoin the fight after it starts. Either a wall or a door, you will still be unable to join the fight. So instead of changing the game, be angry at those trolls that start the fight before everyone gets to the boss room.


    OR they can be mad both at them and the developers putting in such a crappy method to begin with. Not about being locked out of the fight, it's about being killed simply because someone couldn't wait. 

  4. On 3/24/2017 at 7:52 AM, xXVevzZXx said:

    You guys realize that the stuff out of the trove is worthless until the next trove comes? Paying players are just a bit ahead and i dont know why it shouldnt be like that. On the other side i dont understand why people hate that so much. I can fully understand that ot is unfair in 6v6 but in PvE it doesnt change a single thing in your gaming experienve. It has absolutely no negativ effect on you except for 6v6.

    "A bit ahead" you said what now? if a person goes true hongmoon wallet "a bit ahead" is an understatement. You can stop trying to under sale trove because nobody who is actually aware of the possible boosts will far for it.


    At any rate the reasons why can be numerous or one. I personally give less then a squirt but I will take a crack at what I have seen personally.


    One reason I see crop up is the sense of accomplishment. If it took you x amount of grind and time to do/get something then someone throws money at the screen and makes it all moot, how would you expect that person to feel? Before it is said, no you can't say accomplishments don't matter because if it were true we wouldn't get posts and vids of people doing things 1st or at a disadvantage. Also before it is said, naturally easier content over time would also make ones past accomplishments moot but that is natural progression vs blunt force spending. 


    Another reason can be more psychological. As Zedonia put it ever so bluntly above, it could be jealousy. Someone seen to be able to spend a large amount of money on something that is seen as none essential. The person could be jealous they can't have that same luxury so envy and/or hate. Same way you see some people dislike others for having an expensive car, jewelry, big house, etc. A bit in line with that thought is the lack of understanding as well. Some people in life are well off and wealthy but might be cheap. They see someone spending one something as a waste and maybe can't see the expenditure a worthy investment. So a lack of understanding turns into something of a dislike.


    I mean I can go on but I feel I might go into story mode. It is all kinda fascinating since this behavior overall can be applied to many facets of life. However saying it does nothing to them or their gaming time personally isn't entirely true. 

  5. My thoughts are your putting too much weight on trove and the system itself. While trove is a massive push if you're true hongmoon wallet and the system being streamlined overall makes things easier leading people who aren't ready into things. It does NOT erase the main issue. The human error. People refuse to look crap up and come in unprepared. The speed at which people acquire gear does not erase their unwillingness to lean more then "AP and DMG is all that matters". Tbh it doesn't take that long to learn a class to be usable. Nor does it take that long for people to learn mechs. People just don't and instead try to brute force their way through throwing caution to the wind OR expecting others to pick up the slack.


    I don't think it's like throwing people in the deep end. It's more like dropping them off in an unknown part of the city but leaving them with a pocket of money, a phone with gps and internet but them choosing to just walk in the general direction they came from screaming "YOLO!"


    Folks have the tools to get things done. They still choose not to use them. More time to be invested would help some but since you still have those who do it even after all this time. Will still happen~

  6. 2 hours ago, FrozenB said:

    Actually, both of you guys are correct. Huxxera is concerning about brand new players who haven't played this game before, but have a pocket full of money. They can go to lv50 instantly and can hop in F8 to do daily quests without knowing their characters first. 

    You were referring to old players who like to make alts or try other classes. This certainly helps speeding it up so that you can enjoy the full feature (except HM skill) of a class. You don't need to waste time to go through all the same story quests all over again.

    This feature has both pros and cons.

    I am fully aware what he/she meant but it's the fact that they solely focused on one aspect that I even said anything.

    2 hours ago, Huuxera said:

    If that is alright for you, I don't mind, but I actually prefer having people in my raids who know how to play their classes... I'm not implying you wouldn't know how to play your classes, but there are people who won't know, and they can seriously screw up things.

    What is exactly after lvl 50 though? Isn't it also the exact same quests (dailies) over and over again?

    It might not be some people's cup of tea, but I actually enjoy exploring areas/getting accustomed to my class/skills in a game, instead of having everything pushed in my face right away and I don't even know where to begin. I'm speaking from experience, because I helped my friend get money by playing her lvl 50 BM for a few dailies, and GOD it was confusing. (BM is the only class I've never tried)

    I feel kinda sorry for the designers and writers... I'll be honest the story/visuals is one of the main features that keeps me playing and it's a bit sad that most people ignore it, even if it's just the starter areas.

    I hope this feature won't be too cheap if implemented. I'm actually worried on how this will affect the game...

    There will always be people who fudge it up. People fudge it up now, people fudged it up before the streamlines and reductions. 


    But yes it is the exact same things over and over but endgame actually serves a purpose. However you spoke on a sense of accomplishment which is why I brought that up. 


    I do too, but not for the umpteenth time over and over again. 


    I'm not everyone else so I can't speak on that.


    As for it being cheap. I really doubt it. Even more so since all it said was instant 50 with equipment that we have no idea what it will be. I fully believe they will try to milk the prices and I doubt we will get it for free and at best maybe 1. I also don't see much of an effect either. 6 man is still something people breeze through, people still have ap requirements and still try to enforce them. You also make it seem like an huge number of brand spanking new people are going to flood in and throw cash to get a lvl boost in a game that still has a stigma attached to it. Or that pre existing folks are just gonna muk things up despite f8 holding the same "fudge off" outlook it has held for a while now. I can see some getting them because why not but I see the biggest market for them as alts for already established folks. Or perhaps bots as the OP was speaking on. Then again it is too early to tell. 

  7. 1 hour ago, Huuxera said:

    This is the worst idea ever, why would someone play a game when they aren't even playing it??

    Do people really not aim for the feeling of achievement?

    Also they won't even have chance to get accustomed with the skills etc and it will result in idiots who can't even play their class.

    I DEEPLY HATE when so many free things are pushed in people's face, it makes a game boring like hell, because you receive ZERO feeling of achievement/positive feelings from it.

    Worst idea ever!!!!

    You mean the feeling of doing the exact same chain quests over and over again when you want to play a new class? Also get accustomed? stop acting like you even need to know a single squirt to make it to 50 to begin with. Got 3 alts to 50 not knowing a single thing about them or the optimal rotation on the road to it.


    1 how was this pushed anywhere? was 1 of 7 things on the list. 2, free? let's be real here. Will probably cost a nice chunk since NC likes to drain them wallets, and tbh it would make the game more enjoyable since you wouldn't have to go all the way through the entire thing for the umpteenth time to get right to the nitty gritty of what the game actually is. Last but not least how is anyone else using it taking away from your fun or feelings of anything? I mean the only person who has a validish point would be the OP.

  8. 16 hours ago, NightFer said:

    Yeah bro, its all about the bad servers and your connection is the best in the world (dont try to pull out that you have XX ping in another game, different games use different mapping and routing). Optimization have nothing to do with the quality of the game. The limitations of the engine doesnt allow further increase in performance. How do you expect a game to be more "alt friendly"? Didnt they reduced the costs like 3 times already? Reduced the grind to an extend you get everything from the story quests. What more do you want? The insta lvl50 ticket will come when more content is released and honestly, why would you want that for? You are starting a new class, the questing and everything will give you the chance to experience the class so you know it at least a little bit. How would an insta 50 help you understand the class? Its not like you will have to play like 2-3 months to get to max level (50). You can complete the story for like 1 day and then grind your entire life :D

    Oh good lord somebody didn't read or understand.


    1. I never said my connection was the best. I know my connection craps out on me at times. Changes absolutely nothing that the servers they use are crap at times. To even try to deny this at this point is hilarious. But do take note that I chose the words "at times". You know? the words that don't mean always? I sometimes have decent performance, then other days I get spikes out the wazu. Of course it is on my side of things at times, but when many a people can say, "I am lagging, or I am spiking" when I make the comment, then logic says what? you look at the common denominator. You bringing up routing changes nothing of the end result. 


    2. Optimization has nothing to do with the quality of the game? That is hands down the dumbest thing I have heard....today. I can't believe you actually even said that. But what does the limitation of the engine have to do with the topic at hand? Reading is your friend. The post is in quote "what should be changed for their next project " Meaning NOT this game. Meaning the NEXT game. Meaning you bringing anything up having to do with the current engine's limitations is moot because we are speaking on the next thing and what it shouldn't do. Which would be? not having those limitations in the 1st place!


    3. How do I expect a game to be more alt friendly? I don't know, maybe more things account bound? things that can be more easily passed between alts, shared invo? you know? the standard stuff you can find in many a mmo. Also did BnS start with all these things you spoke of? Nope. Are a number of things still bound to one character that make little sense being as such? pretty much. Also once again bringing up the point of the topic of NEXT project, my suggestion of "Never be this anti alt" would mean from the Get Go. not further down the line. Another also, mats are part of the gearing process, not the entirety of it.


    Then how are you going to put words in my mouth THEN ask me how it would help me? I said nothing of a lv50 boost. Also before you say it was just an example, or suggestion, no. Not the way you used it. You literally brought it up then proceeded to ask me questions as if I made the suggestion myself. But to answer it anyway, it would help me. I am not some fresh off the boat person new to the game. Learning a class to be functional doesn't take all of the 50 lvls. Notice I said "learning to be functional" and not mastering. Don't know about you but it doesn't take me that long to get a handle on a class to be functional.


    TL;DR If you are going to say something in opposition, at least actually think, pause and ponder before saying anything. 

  9. Welp you have already stated some stuff I would've already said. Performance that doesn't just change at the drop of a hat. Pick better servers because for what this game is, crap is subpar at times. Never be this anti alt again. Last but not least, add. different. stuff. BnS is a dungeon runner with a decent world that gets used all of a few times then abandoned. The moment you don't want to run more dungeons or pvp, BnS looses purpose. Nothing really on the side to do. least worth a single squirt. 

  10. 5 hours ago, Deathrainer said:

    1st of all to the OP... playing a lot of chars (dont know how many u have) is nonsense, cause youll need to expend most of the day playing if u want to go somewhere with all ur chars... and end up doing nothing with just one...

    2nd i dont see the need to making the tormented weapon tradeable between alts cause this game is about the GRIND and if u only play one char the game will reward u cause ull get the mats, the weapons and more things overtime... thats one reason u should only stick to one char, maybe 2... if u want more then go ahead but when u go up to 600 ap and u want to go legendary on all of them, playing more than 2 chars will punish u, even 2 chars is punishing... because u are dividing ur effort and in this game u need to have all the efforts together...

    1. You said what now? nonsense you say? since when? number of folks were able to get that sweet sweet diamond to 40 and above in part thanks to? alts! if this event for extra chests was worth a squirt in materials BUT have a higher chance of getting that ruby if you not swiping for trove, because of? alts! If I have to do a clan run and the word is, we need stealth, or WL buff, guess what I can do without having to always rely on other clannies to be on or pug it? swap to a? you guessed it! alt. If YOU can't multi manage then that's on you tbh. 


    Also while we are at it, let's be completely truthful. Alts have always been one of if not the biggest things people use when they are getting bored of a game besides taking a break. When I am tired of my bd, I can swap to my kfm. When I want to be ranged and not worry about enemy melee as much, I can swap to my FM or WL. When I want to click some buttons and not worry at all, I can swap to my summ.


    Double also! not everyone plays this game hardcore. Triple also! not even hard to get an alt geared up to respectable gear to where it stops becoming a detriment to your daily farms and actually instead becomes a boon.


    2. This right here just makes you sound like one of those folks who wants things more difficult for the sake of it. Yes the game is about grind, I fail to see how making tormented weapons trade able changes that. People using mains to gear up alts has been done since the age of ages. How does something like that change it? Heck folks running alts to full capacity already grind more then you. Only thing in this that makes sense was the part about going legend for all but again, that's not everyone's plan. Another also! efforts together? really? are we playing the same game where if your swipe fu is strong enough you can bypass quite a bit to be up there pretty high? you know the same game that currently has a trove going on where folks on spending hundreds to gear up, bringing prices down for everyone helping them gear up if they choose while also making money selling whatever excess they don't need? you know? the same game with RNG boxes, a method to swipe for gold both legit and illegitimate ways because as much as folks don't talk about it, let's be real here. There is a reason those sites still exists.


    TL;DR I mean be against it if you wish, your choice but if your going to bring up reasons at least give good ones~

  11. My only issue with the pinnacle acc besides not being account bound (NC just make everything account ffs >:U), were the fact that when I looked, the stats of the earring and ring were utter shite compared to boss. The bracelet and necklace are a decent alt but those other two just got shafted hard.

  12. I was going to make a thread about these chests because sweet jesuz wth? but I didn't want to be that guy for once. 


    Came home after an appointment, waited for the servers to be up and logged right in and completed my dailies. Instantly opened the box to see what goodies I would get thinking it was going to be lovely upgrading alts time! Got 1 ss, 2 stingers, 1 refining stone and the 5 stone bundle. 


    Bruh, what in the actual actual? I understand it's free, and it's part of dailies imma do anyway but bruv. It's like getting 1g in daily chests. You got less then what you got from the tasks themselves. Event should absolutely be renamed because the only way you upgrading with these chests is 30 days in and that's if your lucky. 


    Appreciate free shiz on top of what I do on the norm but bruv come on now. Hope the ruby at least has a somewhat decent drop rate....

  13. 24 minutes ago, FrozenB said:

    They should put ornaments into the box since it is a main components to upgrade the weapons. I don't see why they put all other mats in the boxes, but not ornaments.


    The daily challenge quests are fine as they are. Fresh 50s can't do asura? 6m asura can be easily done with a full party of 500-550 AP players who know mechanics. Even if you don't know mechanics, you can kindly ask other people in the team for what to do and what not to do. I am pretty sure someone will explain them to you nicely if you ask politely. Also, there is a reason why EC and DT are not in the same day of daily challenge. Also, remember there is a word "challenge". The quests are suppose to be challenging (although for old players, they are not.)


    You have the options to do 4 out of 6 quests. How hard can it be? When I started this game, daily challenge quests didn't even have options to pick. We had to finish all 4 out of 4 quests per day or we got nothing. Now, they make it more easy for new players and new players want even more. Just like other people said "When they give you a free ride, you want them to give you a free car."

    Because if you haven't noticed by the events thus far along with equipment streamlining, those that need ornaments aren't the target audience. That is what trove is for. HOWEVER if you look at the page closer, it says "Here's a sample of some of the items the Weapon Upgrade Chests can contain". So while I doubt they will have them, who knows what else could be in it.


    Also that Asura comment was addressed above. Different dungeon but same point applies. Also lets not get into word play, they are dailies, nothing more. Challenge is a word choice.

  14. I say they need to do something about all these old exchangeable. Like a suggestion for many things, make a coin system. Depending how old the content is, make like 200=1 coin or higher for older content. Lower or whatever for newer out of date exchangeable. Make the item for example, the oils worth 600 coins or something. Allows everything to serve some kind of purpose towards the end. 

  15. 4 hours ago, BabyWing said:

    How did this discussion even get here? All of a sudden it went from OP being bored at early levels because of no people to "people want everything quick and easy and don't want to grind". I think someone is having a comprehension issue or didn't read the OP.


    Because there is always that one person who either didn't read or just see's all of two things then goes on a rant. Unsurprisingly it is the same person I always mostly see go on little mini rants when a topic doesn't agree with their outlook.


    Can't say who since apparently that would be naming and shaming despite it being an open forum in which they are speaking on. Thanks BnS team!

  16. 59 minutes ago, Zuzu said:

    So you're angry about gambling when there's a non-rng way to get premium stones.


    How does a way to bypass something at a cost erase if it is an issue or not? See even less logic in that since the luxury to bypass with gold still relies on rng from someone else. Sure he/she can buy outright but then that comes right back around to the original issue he brought up for someone else through materials or wallet.


    Although maybe there is indeed a way I don't know about to get with no RNG. Inquiring minds want to know~

  17. Ehhhhhh if I am being completely honest. While I do enjoy this game, if I could tell myself back then what I know now, I probably wouldn't have bothered. As for 50 I want to say yes but eh. Even at 50 and with the cash given from quests, your still going to be grinding for more to lvl up shiz. If you aren't into dungeon runners then I will agree with NotHere and say get out while you can.


    However if you still wish to play and need a clan, I believe mines has like 4 slots open. Pops went on a recruitathon and picked up folks of many lvls. But that would depend upon your server group and/or if your willing to remake on ours.


    As for the RO comment.....LoL! 

  18. 17 hours ago, GodEnyo said:

    I guess that mindset is why nothing is changed in every game with potential, you always have those kiss-ups who try to justify and defend something no matter how unreasonable. "If you don't like bad option A, there's bad option B, and if you don't like either then you want a handout." um, no, I don't mind farming, but there's a limit to how much time people will tolerate having to spend.

    And really, I did consider using a key, but the 2nd option was cheaper than that even though it was still expensive for me. And many people aren't going to be ok with either farming hours a day for possibly over a week for 1 upgrade or spending 50-80g a. The few nice people I've met were all from leveling and either quit because they didn't like such a time-consuming grind or having to pay a lot, or were just alts and already established.

    Whoa there pedro o,O~I wasnt telling you to use keys. I was simply stating that would probably be one reason given by others. 

  19. Ehhhhhh originally I was against the idea. I mean it seems a bit counter intuitive to go through so much to continually streamline gear and have the main quest pretty much allow you to bypass much of the game entirely pushing you quicker to 50 yet give "eh" weapons at the earlier stages. I mean are you trying to make it easier? faster? harder? make up the minds!


    HOWEVER! thus far after creating an alt and pretty much using the training weapon with little issue i'm not so sure personally. Will reserve judgement in entirety until I bother to go further then the 16 for the choco's but as it stands atm I can't say I notice difficulty. 

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