ChubbyFatBoy

Well I see Grimoir still trying to protect this game like they got a stake in it. Ah, somethings remain the same I suppose. Welp, I also see folks still come in like someone sending personal shots. Whether you have heard it before is irrelevant. If one is trying to speak to people who play or might play the game. The official forums would be a pretty decent place for it. It's as if the forum for the game, is used for talking about the game......whoa! shocker I know, I know. As for your three reasons. 1. Yes it is a game. So is Russian Roulette. 2. And interest can change like the wind. 3. Which can change like the wind. Also, oh my.....are you? Are you trying to tell people what to do with their free time? Was it not the OP's decision to write this in their free time? Are you trying to stop it now? I thought you were against it 🤔? As for the very last bit. Someone can hate and love/enjoy something. Just because one is personally invested, doesn't mean they can't see the issues that may turn off others and point them out. But I guess you have to be "enlightened" to know that much.

Of course that's easier then changing the game. But how exactly does that change the fact that it was a "eh" method to begin with? I don't expect it to change but your reasoning behind it's existence then saying the anger should be placed with those who do it instead of those who even put it in was all in all crap. There were better methods to block access to the boss then simply killing people because someone was impatient. Being irritated with the entire thing falls as much on the people who put in such lazy design as well as those who take advantage of it. Also how exactly do you not know the folks in KR weren't against it at some point? Do you speak Korean? were you there for every step of the way observing complaints? Also last time I checked, the community in KR and NA are quite different. So I don't know, how could people from different parts of the globe have differences of opinion on said subject? hmm. But spoiled? hardly. I wasn't asking for change, I simply made a comment and am aware of a bad system. Only thing you should wonder is how you talk so much without much thought behind it.

OR they can be mad both at them and the developers putting in such a crappy method to begin with. Not about being locked out of the fight, it's about being killed simply because someone couldn't wait.

"A bit ahead" you said what now? if a person goes true hongmoon wallet "a bit ahead" is an understatement. You can stop trying to under sale trove because nobody who is actually aware of the possible boosts will far for it. At any rate the reasons why can be numerous or one. I personally give less then a squirt but I will take a crack at what I have seen personally. One reason I see crop up is the sense of accomplishment. If it took you x amount of grind and time to do/get something then someone throws money at the screen and makes it all moot, how would you expect that person to feel? Before it is said, no you can't say accomplishments don't matter because if it were true we wouldn't get posts and vids of people doing things 1st or at a disadvantage. Also before it is said, naturally easier content over time would also make ones past accomplishments moot but that is natural progression vs blunt force spending. Another reason can be more psychological. As Zedonia put it ever so bluntly above, it could be jealousy. Someone seen to be able to spend a large amount of money on something that is seen as none essential. The person could be jealous they can't have that same luxury so envy and/or hate. Same way you see some people dislike others for having an expensive car, jewelry, big house, etc. A bit in line with that thought is the lack of understanding as well. Some people in life are well off and wealthy but might be cheap. They see someone spending one something as a waste and maybe can't see the expenditure a worthy investment. So a lack of understanding turns into something of a dislike. I mean I can go on but I feel I might go into story mode. It is all kinda fascinating since this behavior overall can be applied to many facets of life. However saying it does nothing to them or their gaming time personally isn't entirely true.

My thoughts are your putting too much weight on trove and the system itself. While trove is a massive push if you're true hongmoon wallet and the system being streamlined overall makes things easier leading people who aren't ready into things. It does NOT erase the main issue. The human error. People refuse to look crap up and come in unprepared. The speed at which people acquire gear does not erase their unwillingness to lean more then "AP and DMG is all that matters". Tbh it doesn't take that long to learn a class to be usable. Nor does it take that long for people to learn mechs. People just don't and instead try to brute force their way through throwing caution to the wind OR expecting others to pick up the slack. I don't think it's like throwing people in the deep end. It's more like dropping them off in an unknown part of the city but leaving them with a pocket of money, a phone with gps and internet but them choosing to just walk in the general direction they came from screaming "YOLO!" Folks have the tools to get things done. They still choose not to use them. More time to be invested would help some but since you still have those who do it even after all this time. Will still happen~

I am fully aware what he/she meant but it's the fact that they solely focused on one aspect that I even said anything. There will always be people who fudge it up. People fudge it up now, people fudged it up before the streamlines and reductions. But yes it is the exact same things over and over but endgame actually serves a purpose. However you spoke on a sense of accomplishment which is why I brought that up. I do too, but not for the umpteenth time over and over again. I'm not everyone else so I can't speak on that. As for it being cheap. I really doubt it. Even more so since all it said was instant 50 with equipment that we have no idea what it will be. I fully believe they will try to milk the prices and I doubt we will get it for free and at best maybe 1. I also don't see much of an effect either. 6 man is still something people breeze through, people still have ap requirements and still try to enforce them. You also make it seem like an huge number of brand spanking new people are going to flood in and throw cash to get a lvl boost in a game that still has a stigma attached to it. Or that pre existing folks are just gonna muk things up despite f8 holding the same "fudge off" outlook it has held for a while now. I can see some getting them because why not but I see the biggest market for them as alts for already established folks. Or perhaps bots as the OP was speaking on. Then again it is too early to tell.

You mean the feeling of doing the exact same chain quests over and over again when you want to play a new class? Also get accustomed? stop acting like you even need to know a single squirt to make it to 50 to begin with. Got 3 alts to 50 not knowing a single thing about them or the optimal rotation on the road to it. 1 how was this pushed anywhere? was 1 of 7 things on the list. 2, free? let's be real here. Will probably cost a nice chunk since NC likes to drain them wallets, and tbh it would make the game more enjoyable since you wouldn't have to go all the way through the entire thing for the umpteenth time to get right to the nitty gritty of what the game actually is. Last but not least how is anyone else using it taking away from your fun or feelings of anything? I mean the only person who has a validish point would be the OP.

Hmmm as someone who actually took the time to lvl a number of alts to 50 gear them up both before and some after the streamline. Not gonna lie, the instant 50 kinda sucks a wee bit. AT any rate I wonder what financial hoop they will have planned to use/get it.

Oh good lord somebody didn't read or understand. 1. I never said my connection was the best. I know my connection craps out on me at times. Changes absolutely nothing that the servers they use are crap at times. To even try to deny this at this point is hilarious. But do take note that I chose the words "at times". You know? the words that don't mean always? I sometimes have decent performance, then other days I get spikes out the wazu. Of course it is on my side of things at times, but when many a people can say, "I am lagging, or I am spiking" when I make the comment, then logic says what? you look at the common denominator. You bringing up routing changes nothing of the end result. 2. Optimization has nothing to do with the quality of the game? That is hands down the dumbest thing I have heard....today. I can't believe you actually even said that. But what does the limitation of the engine have to do with the topic at hand? Reading is your friend. The post is in quote "what should be changed for their next project " Meaning NOT this game. Meaning the NEXT game. Meaning you bringing anything up having to do with the current engine's limitations is moot because we are speaking on the next thing and what it shouldn't do. Which would be? not having those limitations in the 1st place! 3. How do I expect a game to be more alt friendly? I don't know, maybe more things account bound? things that can be more easily passed between alts, shared invo? you know? the standard stuff you can find in many a mmo. Also did BnS start with all these things you spoke of? Nope. Are a number of things still bound to one character that make little sense being as such? pretty much. Also once again bringing up the point of the topic of NEXT project, my suggestion of "Never be this anti alt" would mean from the Get Go. not further down the line. Another also, mats are part of the gearing process, not the entirety of it. Then how are you going to put words in my mouth THEN ask me how it would help me? I said nothing of a lv50 boost. Also before you say it was just an example, or suggestion, no. Not the way you used it. You literally brought it up then proceeded to ask me questions as if I made the suggestion myself. But to answer it anyway, it would help me. I am not some fresh off the boat person new to the game. Learning a class to be functional doesn't take all of the 50 lvls. Notice I said "learning to be functional" and not mastering. Don't know about you but it doesn't take me that long to get a handle on a class to be functional. TL;DR If you are going to say something in opposition, at least actually think, pause and ponder before saying anything.

Welp you have already stated some stuff I would've already said. Performance that doesn't just change at the drop of a hat. Pick better servers because for what this game is, crap is subpar at times. Never be this anti alt again. Last but not least, add. different. stuff. BnS is a dungeon runner with a decent world that gets used all of a few times then abandoned. The moment you don't want to run more dungeons or pvp, BnS looses purpose. Nothing really on the side to do. least worth a single squirt.

Rather they upgrade the servers we have now. Crud is just sad at times.

1. You said what now? nonsense you say? since when? number of folks were able to get that sweet sweet diamond to 40 and above in part thanks to? alts! if this event for extra chests was worth a squirt in materials BUT have a higher chance of getting that ruby if you not swiping for trove, because of? alts! If I have to do a clan run and the word is, we need stealth, or WL buff, guess what I can do without having to always rely on other clannies to be on or pug it? swap to a? you guessed it! alt. If YOU can't multi manage then that's on you tbh. Also while we are at it, let's be completely truthful. Alts have always been one of if not the biggest things people use when they are getting bored of a game besides taking a break. When I am tired of my bd, I can swap to my kfm. When I want to be ranged and not worry about enemy melee as much, I can swap to my FM or WL. When I want to click some buttons and not worry at all, I can swap to my summ. Double also! not everyone plays this game hardcore. Triple also! not even hard to get an alt geared up to respectable gear to where it stops becoming a detriment to your daily farms and actually instead becomes a boon. 2. This right here just makes you sound like one of those folks who wants things more difficult for the sake of it. Yes the game is about grind, I fail to see how making tormented weapons trade able changes that. People using mains to gear up alts has been done since the age of ages. How does something like that change it? Heck folks running alts to full capacity already grind more then you. Only thing in this that makes sense was the part about going legend for all but again, that's not everyone's plan. Another also! efforts together? really? are we playing the same game where if your swipe fu is strong enough you can bypass quite a bit to be up there pretty high? you know the same game that currently has a trove going on where folks on spending hundreds to gear up, bringing prices down for everyone helping them gear up if they choose while also making money selling whatever excess they don't need? you know? the same game with RNG boxes, a method to swipe for gold both legit and illegitimate ways because as much as folks don't talk about it, let's be real here. There is a reason those sites still exists. TL;DR I mean be against it if you wish, your choice but if your going to bring up reasons at least give good ones~

My only issue with the pinnacle acc besides not being account bound (NC just make everything account ffs >:U), were the fact that when I looked, the stats of the earring and ring were utter shite compared to boss. The bracelet and necklace are a decent alt but those other two just got shafted hard.

I did act, I sold all the excess honorary when they were going for 18-20 a pop :v~made out like a bandit at Christmas~

I was going to make a thread about these chests because sweet jesuz wth? but I didn't want to be that guy for once. Came home after an appointment, waited for the servers to be up and logged right in and completed my dailies. Instantly opened the box to see what goodies I would get thinking it was going to be lovely upgrading alts time! Got 1 ss, 2 stingers, 1 refining stone and the 5 stone bundle. Bruh, what in the actual actual? I understand it's free, and it's part of dailies imma do anyway but bruv. It's like getting 1g in daily chests. You got less then what you got from the tasks themselves. Event should absolutely be renamed because the only way you upgrading with these chests is 30 days in and that's if your lucky. Appreciate free shiz on top of what I do on the norm but bruv come on now. Hope the ruby at least has a somewhat decent drop rate....