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  1. 11 minutes ago, Fiana said:

    @Charas no, you don't understand.. get stage 6 baleful straight out from story quest itself is huge gift from dev, and to get raven 1 in 2-4 month after you finish story quest is normal... that's what everyone doing, and now dev will reduce price again in next patch, right now everyone including the newbie always expecting raven weapon to drop from the sky,

    what i want try to say is, you don't have to rush want to get high end gear in just 1 or 2 month, enjoy the game and story, learn the mech, join clan, have voice chat, etc

    ah, iam talking for everyone who can play 2-3 hour per day, for everyone who can play 1 or 2 a week, i don't think mmorpg is game for you

    I could agree with you if BnS team would have never nerfed gold and drop rates over and over again on lower level dungeons. It is unfortunately not the case!

    As a noob you are pushed to skip content in order to be able to farm things and have interactions with other players. It belongs in their design to make only high end dungeons attractive and rewarding.


  2. 57 minutes ago, Fiana said:

    not really, i can get raven 1 less than 3 week after finish story quest

    well, after that i can only upgrade weapon 1 stage maybe in 3 week or 1 month


    but that's is what every old player do, you have no idea how hard it is to upgrade baleful weapon, and now they just give it to you freely, and you still complain
    i've play 2 year, and i just get raven 9, bt awakened 1, etc 3 month ago


    if you want to get raven 9, and join VT raid after you play only 1 or 2 month expection the game give everything to you freely, then it's spit in face for every old player who workhard, and now you can get free awakened ascending/hongmoon soul from event.. it's like get 23 sacred oil all at once

    right now, new player can easly get raven 1, perhaps ppl like you don't understand how amazing this "raven" weapon is, and how hard it is to get it back then
    can you imagine how hard it is to organize 24 man raid?

    now you can just buy it off from market 200g, back then we bid war up to 7k gold for ferocity =.= you can farm pretty much everywhere with raven 1, you can go to yunsang and ToI if you know the mech

    and then, it's unbefitting if you have raven weapon and still farm from ec and dt wkkwkw, go to IF EL SSM HH
    low level dungeon is only for baleful weapon, who only need untradable mats

    Your post if again very self explainatory... but I believe ppl like you might just not be able to understand, you are giving arguments proving exactly the contrary of what you are saying! but you are so sure of holding the truth that you won't see it.


    Back in the day as you said, ppl would bid incredible amount of money to get their raven mats. This situation was perfect because it was forcing gold to be shared accross the raid.

    -> If you started raiding without gold, within a few weeks you could becore super rich and afford anything you need.

    This is absolutly impossible right now! There is noway to earn this kind of gold at this gear level anymore! hell, even getting basic mats is much more of a struggle than it was before!


    Nowadays you are waiting for newcomers to upgrade to raven within 2 weeks... well llet's see what we need there!

    First you need to up your weapon to stage 10... I believe storyline bring you to stage 6... so let's start from here!


    stage 6 to 10 = 9 transformation stone (150g) + 15 legendary element (300g) + 230 ss crystal + 80 moonstone crystal + 27 elysian crystal (+irrelevant mats)

    ->To farm those mats and money right after story line, considering how hard it is to get those, could take 2 months easy.


    stage 10 to raven 1 = raven mat (let s say 200g) + 5 empyrean (1500g) + 20 legendary element (400g) + 50 moonstone crystal + 50 elysian crystal 

    -> we are looking at a cost of 2k + 


    This is a real fortune for a newcomer, it could easily take up to 6 months to gather considering noone even wants to party you and you nearly have no acces to any tradable material you could sell to cover your gold needs.


    I understand ppl like you who played 2 years straight might be butt hurt each time they make anything "easier" for new players... but you really fail to see the big picture and to realise that in fact everything was much much easier for yourself.

    BNS is a game which requieres a huge time investment... way to huge for any "normal" human... and trust me, being a newb here sux ass despite what you might think.




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  3. 1 hour ago, Fiana said:

    i don't think that farming in this game is bad,  you can get 10k in just 1 day from ToI box stage 3, or from yunsang

    the key to play this game is, not to rush upgrade

    ... You all guys really don't get it do you? your very precise response prooves how bad farming in this game is! It is tougth for new /low geared players to make even 10g per day and you come here talking about 10k a day! 

    NC keep on making it harder for new players to catch up... while they keep on making it possible for geared players to reach new level of power and farm thousands a day. This makes the game be very much pay 2 win, because as a low geared you mostly have only 2 choices : either you cash shop as much as you can until you reach a correct level (we are talking about hundreds of euros.. or more) either you give up.


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  4. This is precisely the way I feel. I do enjoy playing, it s a hobby of mine since many many years and I wish I could play and enjoy BnS. Good graphic and combat dynamics, interesting mechanics, completly unexistant and boring open world activities though... but the main problem lies on the amount of dedication requiered to achieve anything in this game.

    I believe most hardcore players in here are young ppl trying to escape their real life problems, probably not realising it or completly denying it even, spending their days from the moment they wake up to the moment they ll fall asleep ingame... " farming stuff". They are not conscient they are throwing their youth away and denying themselves a huge lot of oportunities that could make them want to open up to the world. We are talking about real dedication here, similar to life sacrifice... and I find it a freakin' shame that a gaming company would requiere that of their player base in order to let them have this sactisfaction feeling one may get once he reaches his goals.


    Playing 1 to 3 hours a day will get you absolutly nowhere in BnS, that's a fact. What players don't realise is that "normal" ppl cannot afford to invest more free time in a game than that. If you have a good job -> 40 to 45 hours a week + a family.... kids.... relatives you wanna meet up with from time to time... friends.... how the hell would you have more than a couple of hours top everyday for your hobby?

    And this is why the game lost so freakin much of its original player base... and this is why nearly no new players will last long in BnS.


    I can already forsee the blinded nolife e-gangsters teeny gamers  thinking "WTF dude it s a Korean game stop QQing it s all about dedication here"... Well, guys did you ever think about what this dedication make you sacrifice? You cannot truely believe that spending 10 hours per day ingame farming the same event on god knows how many toons... running the exact same dungeons over and over is "normal" or should be a requierement to reach end game content in anything that one could call "a game"... 


    This is more time than what is requiered for you to earn enough money to take care of your family... this should be freakin nonsense to anyone in their right mind, shouldn t it?


  5. 2 hours ago, LaraKelly said:

    yes they NS soft exploited it! I agree!

    Today special never was defined if it was unlimited or not!
    exploit as you defined mean a known bug, unwanted feature...none of those happen...you can buy without even doing any strange things. It was flat out sold as unlimited hands of xanos and you even think it is possible for such a thing to happen and it did.

    [Trove keys is unlimited, RNG box is unlimited, Buying gold using ncoins is unlimited.  game is so p2win (or pay to progress faster). It looks more like a logical trend given how much pay2win (or pay to progress faster)  is done in this game. Thus unlimited hands of xanos sales fits and looks very logical]

    Well well... there is always a limited amount you can buy from "todays sale". And every single time it wasn't the case, it was a bug and resulted in rollbacks... refunds... etc.


    Now I got it, you saw an oportunity to buy the Bracelet with irl money and you took it. But it was obvious since the very beginning it wasn't what NC intended.


    You wanted to p2w.... you paid... and ended up loosing.


    Hopefully you gonna learn your lesson and think twice before exploiting an obvious bug! And hopefully NC will also learn their lesson and fking double check datas before putting something on sale.


    That whole mess is embarassing, and quite relevant of the current game state : 

    On one side we have the P2W ppl ready to open their wallet and pay unreasonnable prices to have endgame equips using their irl money.

    On the other side, there is NC soft and their amateurism. 

  6. 3 minutes ago, Kosako Assano said:

    Making these whiny topics in forums won't get you anywhere; go work more, get a greater salary then increase the limit of your Hongmoon Mastercard... this way you progress in the game kappa.

    So you are part of those fanboys who think criticizing something hoping for improvement is in fact whining... actually going to work to finance your investment in a virtual world.

    Unless you are being a sarcastic smart kid... but regardless... this is just toxic.

  7. 55 minutes ago, Zini said:

    I know, they change things from time to time so that other player can keep up.


    But to make something cheaper/easier to get or basically give it out for free are 2 different things.


    They can reduce the flower cost for the soul shield at the merchant.
    They can reduce the cost for longgui keys.
    They can sell all 8 pieces in basin, not only 6-7.
    and so on...


    Right now, a player who finished the main story can enter msp, and get all in 2-3 rounds. Like this, they can even add a 8 piece box as reward at the last main story quest. This gift is way to big. It's the wrong way what ncsoft is doing.


    Legendary means legendary. This is something special. And you must do something to get this. At least, i think so. It's working with weapons and accessories. You still need to do something to get and upgrade them. But it's not working for msp soul shield?


    Also, the best 3 soul shields in the game are the 3 legendary. It can't be, that you get one of them for nothing now. It's not like, there are 10 more above them, that you need to reach.



    And not sure, what server you are, but people are still playing msp. Each weekend, they look for groups from morning to evening. Only the stage changed now. It was 1-3/4, now 5-6.


    For the useless flowers, that we still get. They need add something else to trade for. Like 50 flowers for 1 sacred oil. I'm sure, much more player would play msp again.


    The way MSP is right now is what every single other regions have.

    The nerfed drops we had before were probably here just to time gate players progression. This applies also to the overall mats droprate on Na-Eu which is absolutly horrible and ofcourse to our nerfed events / non rewarding membership.


    At the end of the day we'll get to have it as easy as every other regions... better get psycholigically ready for it. This is just the way it goes, what nolifes are grinding right now will turn out to be common items for casuals in the future.


  8. 6 hours ago, MassiveEgo said:

    If people want high AP players, then that's it. The requirement leaves no room for social justice of any sort. If we need to make an analogy, it would be a company hiring a senior technology officer, but having to accept some networking graduate that just finished grinding college and didn't deploy a single network or server or whatever, because said graduate* decided to try. That's not how requirements work. Consider the party leader an HR in f8. They don't like you, you get the boot.


    Wisdom of the whole thing is "You cannot have everything just because you want it, without meeting the requirements to obtain it".

    I never said otherwise, but you cannot be mad at ppl for trying, I said it too -> if he doesn't like it, the kick option is here to be used.


    The exact same thing applies for work, how do you think people are doing to get experiment in the first place? when every single job offer (not talking about apprenticeships there... real jobs) requieres you to have 3 to 5 years experience?

    They try... simple as that... and those exact same ppl 5 years later will be the ones having experience.



  9. 12 minutes ago, Kimki said:

    Just like everybody else with their new/low level character. Press LFP or make your own party? Why you making it sound like "poor newbie" has no other choice? I've made alts before and I have never tried to jump in party over my own level even though I have solid experience in every dungeon out there. Respect go both ways you know.


    How many AP do u have on ur noobs? do you have full gem sets... maybe already prepared a SS set for it and a legendary weapon for it too? They are also probably in a clan and you probably got friends to carry you at times.


    well.... whatever I guess, there will always be ppl to try defending this kind of behaviour.

  10. 2 minutes ago, Milennin said:

    Well, it should go both ways. Newbies need to respect the rules party leaders set when searching for players, while party leaders should treat people with respect, even if if somebody makes a mistake or is clueless about something.

    Well it is not possible, else how would newbies ever find parties in F8? They have to try in order to succeed! Did you ever see "LFM NF DT EC NM 600+ All class?"


    If it s not to the party leader's taste -> Kick player it is


    This whole thing makes me think about Cartman from south park... " RESPECT MY AUTHORITY"

  11. 17 minutes ago, Draknalor said:

    Why are you so triggered by people having their own rules tho?  Calling people F8 "warriors" and such.. Why does people having their own rules in lobbies they make trigger you enough to start name calling and acting like they're bad people.

    People can have their own wishes... np. But would you go as far as calling them rules?

    As I said, if he only wants high AP players he can absolutly kick anyone he wants in order to reach his party ideal, but blaming lowbies for trying to get in good parties is just plain wrong. At the end of the day, they represent the future of the game... to have a long lasting game u gotta have an healthy players turnover. If the community is not noob friendly the only possible outcome is failure.


    Now what probably happened? a poor AP 650 saw his party for EC or whatnot with a 800 AP requierement... the poor newbie thought "fk that.. i got to try joining, this dungeon is part of the dailies and i need those 6gold from the quest"

    -> he tried joining

    -> OP reaction "OMFG what did you dare doing you should burn in hell i m gonna go on the forum and open a thread about it !!!!"


    It does trigger me because this kind of overreaction towards clueless ppl kinda represent the filth of our planet... ppl with higher "AP" feeling somewhat superior and dictating their rules... blaming lower "AP" for even trying. 

  12. So OP is blaming low AP / new players for trying to join his party when their AP is not sufficient enough to meet his requierements.


    The truth his, you cannot blame those players for trying, because them too need a party... them too spent 20min + trying to fking run a dungeon... and them more than anyone else need to farm those shiny drops. If they were not trying, they would never get a party ever with the bunch of ppl acting like u do.


    I get it... you believe yourselves above the crowed and think ppl should respect ur rules as if they were almighty... well sorry to tell you otherwise but it ain't gonna work this way for the whole rest of your life!


    If you are not feeling like being nice and helping players... or if you are in a hurry... just kick them from ur party and assume it. 


    BTW little message to all the F8 ap 850+ warriors for dungeon requiering top 600+ Please do consider AP is far from being everything... a 800 AP guy can compltely out dps someone with 900... same as an HM8 can completly outplay an HM12.

  13. 3 hours ago, Lucifer The LightBringer said:

    Adding the Dried Ginseng into the event in my opinion was a huge mistake, instead they should have added bound/un-tradeable items that could have been a better alternative instead. I'm not sure what they could have added, "maybe" Legendary Jewels/Elements for like 10-20 Fruits each. I'm not sure but something like that would have been great instead as it wouldn't have inflated the market to this extent, but whats done is done and hopefully they learn from their mistakes due to this event.

    well, for my part I believe dried ginseng is the best thing they ever did. (if we forget about the first week fail where only the strongest players had access to it). Like it or not, you need gold in this game, and our version is completly crippled with shitty daily rewards etc... Those dried ginseng gave the oportunity to the crowed to earn some gold while running the event... buy those things that were unaffordable before that... gave them a taste of what it is like to not feel frustrated each time u press F5.


    Now I can understand ppl spending their life on the game might not see it as a very positive thing... they kinda sacrifice their life to farm ingame. But NCSOFT shouldn't care about those 0.1% of the player having mental issues.  

  14. 1 hour ago, Youmukon said:



    We'll be posting more details regarding Trove compensation extremely soon. Please bear with us! We are currently ensuring that the Trove fix is perfectly working before giving all the details.


    Thank you for your patience and understanding!

    I'm hoping the compensation will be great enough to refrain anyone to sue NCSoft. Some people might go full white knight and say NCSoft is not at fault here. But selling a gamble for real life money and saying it has a chance to give you something it cannot is called scamming. I believe you well know what are the risks for you... 

  15. Hello,


    easy question : will you guys go for Enigma Mystic Badge or for Pulse Mystic Badge?

    I tried to find infos about it on the net, but I kinda fail to find anything... so... ye. 

    it s either a 390% ap bonus 50% of the time or a 2600% ap bonus on the first hit of frost storm, after focus chi.


    I would tend to be more tempted by the Enigma one.... relying on focus chi seems dodgy to me, as it s part of the combos we need to reserve for SB now so it will never be an every minute proc in parties...

    But I would be very interested in knowing other ppl's opinion!

  16. 40 minutes ago, csisy said:

    Well, yea... it should be cheaper to upgrade it than buying 30 legendary jewels, hmm.

    If only there was a way to get upgradable accessories for new chars....

  17. Hello,


    I just saw the streamlining weapon/accessories announcement for the next update... and I have to say it makes me be kinda worried.

    I m a fresh lvl 50, just got awakened infernal accessories (I should be going for pirates as of now) and using the oathbreaker belt + bracelet u get from main quest... coz I have nothing else for now.

    So what should I do? how will it work? will I be screwed for being 50 already and not being able to pick new access + belt/bracelet from quests? 

    It might be clear for some... but it s for sure not for me!


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