Bobthemonk

End of the day it's less about who is more max-max then who at the top of the ladder and more about technique, ping and rng procs.

2.5 seconds, 2.7 seconds, 10.9 seconds... yup im sure that thornbreaker 4 > thornbreaker 3 is the 8 second difference by giveing them 500% more burst... Nothing to do with the way they burst the boss #2 vs #3 #2 2058ap vs 2072 ap (so 14 lowers) has 16336 crit vs 16172 (so 164 more crit), 11346 crit dmg vs 11651 (so 315 less) 4246 mystic vs 4105 (so 141 more). Thronbreaker 4v3 has no change outside raw stats so that covered... so if it's 100% stat related why did 2 kill it 5x as fast as 3?

Go check the ladders, if any of them are in order of gear / stats let me know because I would love to see that happen for the first time ever in BnS.

Personally i'm not even aiming to max my aim, it has enough to do all content for now and prob the next wave as well so for now i'm focusing on alts since my current static raid-set is roll / priority and I want sell-raids to increase my gold each week. I don't care about this update simply because it doesn't wall me out of any content and the people with no idea what they are doing will continue having no idea what they are doing, buying everything from raids (funding me when I do sell raids) and not being able to get static raids because oh shocker, buying max gear doesn't make them good at mechanics... End of the day anything in F10 can be aquired with gold, just need to find a seller. The only reason to max a char is for the sense of accomplishment, and imo simply buying the stuff removes that...

Unless your max gear it really doesn't matter since there is better things to spend your gold on... at the end of the day you could argue cosmetics in F10 is p2w since you can sell them (people gifting them for gold) so technically you can get max gear without having to do anything if you find enough customers... The stats they give compared to real gear, and more important having a clue what your doing in the game, is small... and the lower your gear and knowledge is the smaller the boost is...

I can show you screenshot of my purchase history, grand total of 0. I see yours till avoiding the question, if it's really p2w then what are you losing by not buying it? What content / paywall is blocking you out and stopping you from playing the game?

If they made them account bound the forums would be full of people crying that they can't do dc 5/5 each day on full char slots + wc on full char slots to send them all to there main char so it's unfair... They can't do anything without the forums being flooded with complaints. If it was p2w that would mean there is a pay wall locking you out of content... so tell me what content is impossable to do as a f2p player?

I have 2, soon 3 chars who can farm every piece of content in the game... tell me again what this "p2w" bundle locks you out of?

You could argue everything down to buying consumables is p2w then since you don't have to farm them you just buy them... All that means is there will be no items gear-related items or materials that are locked behind a pay wall with no way to farm them. Personally between 4 chars i'm up to I think 6 legendary left side gems with no purchased boxes... why? Because I do the daily challenge and the weekly challenge... I also get 5k+ gold / week easily so I could always pay someone to gift me the boxes like everybody does with NCoin bundles, but I would rather focus on prepping one of my alts for ET raids. ------------------------------ First we will get ancient stages on the raid wep, then later we will get them on the pvp wep. Just now on KR it goes up to 15 or 20 (can't remember) and it's rng upgrade that can fail and when it fails you drop multiple stages. You also lose more stages the higher it is. ---------------------- What changed on the hae mujin event? I saw alot of people crying about it being "p2w" and as far as I was aware it had the same dps check at KR.

Still doesn't explain the people complaining about pet stones / ancient weapons coming to EU bc "oh player base is dying so they need more cash-grab here" as if those items were never added to KR, or mabye they just never want EU to get updates again idk.

They get some say on things like what outfits we re-offered as rewards, but as far as events, limited time bundles ect. come out in F10, they just copy KR as far as im aware. Never know mabye the "p2w" region never got sparkling chests / unity xp charm bundles in F10. Should be easy to check since pretty sure there would be alot of complaints in the forum but got better things to do than scroll back KR patch notes to find it.

So your saying even though KR is known as the "p2w" region we got more p2w bundles than they did and they didn't complain and KR let them away with it?

As far as I was aware we get the same patches as KR only later, so simple question to all those blaming NCWEST for things like upcoming pet gems, ancient wep, bundles in F10. Do you really think NCWEST decided those and are implementing them by themselfs and they just never existed on KR, or are you saying NCWEST should just never patch again?

Wait, so according to 3 DST, BC and WC are "p2w" dungeons... but the only thing stopping you from dyads (that cost 10k for to fuse the squares into a dyad before even taking into account any of the lower transmutes / smashing gems together) is because you don't have enough hexa's you can buy with powder? Thats more than enough to buy the gear to enter WC... so does that make you a full p2w player while crying game is "p2w"? ------------ 1) You do not craft non-tradeable oils, you can only craft / transmute the tradeable version and the main cost of that is Evolved stones and Transformation stones making up 80-90% of the cost (if you buy the tradeable mats to make crystals) so they would need to add something else to the transmute (also tradeable) and risk boosting the price of it and everything else in the process and making PTS even more expensive overall... 2) The boxes are fine, all changing it will do is make higher geared people recruit more multi-runs with other higher geared players (giving them more mats) resulting in lower gear players crying that it can be cleared with less gear (while refusing to run it with people there own gear) and blaming the higher gear for making it "impossable" to farm because they are to lazy to farm it without high-gear carries dragging them along. 3) As already mentioned the merchant was a temporary event and then they nerfed it when they brought him back to stay, and again on lower tier dungeons they would still want higher gear to make the runs faster or they would simply solo it because alot of the lower dungeons are faster to solo than wait on other players in loading screens. This means that again people would complain the higher gear would carry them along while they refuse to do it without them for no reason other than they are to lazy. 4) I have no idea how it works with the file size, so no comment on that one. 5) You clearly have no idea how the market or supply and demand works in general so just going to ignore this. 6) Your quiting the game because you have really low gear (calling dst, bc, wc pay to win dungeons) and they are blocking you from spending tens of thousands of gold on gem powder for gems that will give you a fraction of the damage boost gear upgrades would give you... That has to be the dumbest thing i've saw in this game, cya. 7) In other words you have purples stones from daily 5/5 or weekly 5/5 + possable orange stone(s) on alt characters that you would rather have on your main, that is the reason they are not account bound because then people would cry that others get them faster because they do dailies on 11 chars to get 11 boxes / free stones each day + 11 more per week (so 88 chances at legendary stones / week).

I assume they were refering to the people who had 10 fresh storyline chars hitting lfp on all event stuff for free carry and 50+ oils / event. Also, we may have had less time but we got alot of boosts and help that they never + our upgrades are 100% not rng. Personally I get anything from 5-7k / week across 4 chars (main, main alt does around 1m and then the 2 low-alts hold 600-700k each) and thats with my raids being priority / roll, if I was in bid raids / sell raids it would be more. (1-2k of that is when I remember to craft on the characters and sell the stuff, I get around 5k / week from quest rewards.)

I'm talking about the characters where half the slots are empty and the other half are purple items because screw it they did enough of the storyline to unlock the dungeons on that char and someone will carry them for free. As for tanking, it's not exactly hard... I lfp all the dungeons and tank most of the runs (including on raven 3 fm since even a9 people seem to have issue's dealing 600k+). My kfm I almost always put points in threat (then regret it since people with gear generally do no damage) but it's usefull for the odd time you get someone who didn't purchase there account and knows what they are doing. I never did bother learning kfm properly so I do slack on dps a bit as a result, meaning it can only tank up to 6m burst or so and around 3mill sustain people as a raven 3. (funny how much you can tank for with 850% threat). Still, outside of long-cd soul gunners and BM's it can do it's job. There is also nothing stopping lower geared players from making there own lobby, the issue is that most of them hit LFP and if they don't see it as a free carry they just leave the party and look again... and then complain that people want high ap even though it's clearable in the lower ap parties that they constantly leave...

@Merlin DE The way I see it I would prefer they put a cap than ban a large chunk of there player base for leeching events on 10 storyline alts every day. F8 is way less toxic this event than previous events with the limit in place, and not sure what other limits they could do other than putting higher gear limits onto all the dungeons to search for them in F8 and ruining F8 in the process.

They are manually giving out the chests just now (for anybody still looking on info on when they will get them).

I also normally wait till the end of the events to use my tokens, but there was plenty warning before hand including for people like me who don't read 99% of the patch notes and instead checks the event store in-game to see what they can buy. Waiting till 2 weeks after event launches to take a look at what you can get with the currency is not the events fault. As they also pointed out to you, you can get pet packs. Unless you have maxed your talisman + pet, but at that point I would assume your heart + soul are also maxed making this entire thing pointless since you can't use the vials either...

Your realise your currently complaining that because you didn't bother to read the event your only getting 30 oils instead of 40 and therefor the event is a "failure"... What do you want them to do, give you 5 vials a day for logging in and collecting login bonus? Also, it will reset on August 14th, 21st, 28th, September 4th, 11th and then 18th before maintenance if you login between the daily reset and the server coming down for maintenance. That's 6 more resets you can collect on...

2 more weeks of the event + 4 more weeks before the currency expires = 6 weeks / 6 resets. Now feel free to pull out a calculator because we are about to use some big numbers. 6 x 5 = 30.

Sure, throw away the 30 more oils you can still collect and blame the event because you were to lazy to read the event... next people will complain they didn't know they had to kill the old man for red coins to buy stuff and say trash event...

Unless you have 11 chars or plan to login before maint on wed to do weeklies on some chars to get that final extra oil, you can still get the max oils from 10 chars on this event if you claimed each week. I guess you could get up to 35/40 since you never claimed first week.

The main thing I hate about sapper (insta-kill face) is that there is no hight limits on it, as long as your in the radius it will hit you.

You can still get full vials from up to 9/10 chars since it continues to refresh the limit each week until the currency expires, although yes the idea was to stop people taking no-gear alts and farming oils on them like every other event. Probably done mostly to stop people complaining about "no gear" characters in lfp or "leeches" in lfp but for the most part those are the same people who cry the dungeons are to hard and nobody will accept them simply because they are to lazy to run it properly without someone carrying them. On the plus side (I guess) it means they are listening to complaints from previous events... even if it's the wrong complaints...